Solving Momentum & Energy Conservation: Find Daughter Particle Velocities

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The discussion revolves around a particle decay problem in the context of momentum and energy conservation in relativistic physics. The original particle, with rest mass m and moving at speed c/2, decays into two daughter particles of rest mass 2m/5 each, and the velocities of these daughter particles are to be determined.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and energy, questioning the assumption that both daughter particles have the same momentum. Some suggest analyzing the problem in the rest frame of the original particle, while others consider the implications of momentum conservation in the lab frame.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various approaches and calculations. Some have provided specific equations and values for energy and momentum, while others are clarifying concepts and questioning the results. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the calculations, and participants are engaging with each other's reasoning.

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Participants are navigating the challenges of relativistic effects and the implications of conservation laws, with some expressing confusion over the results and the relationship between the velocities of the daughter particles in different frames.

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Homework Statement



A particle of rest mass m moving with speed c/2 decays into two particles of rest mass 2m/5 each.The daughter particles move in the same line as the direction of motion of the original particle.Then what are the velocities of daughter particle?


Homework Equations



Momentum conservation:

p = p1+p2

Energy conservation:
(p2c2+m2c4)1/2=(p12c2+m12c4)1/2+(p22c2+m22c4)1/2


The Attempt at a Solution



Can i assume that both daughter particle has same momentum(velocity)?
otherwise the second equation becomes really complicated.:(
 
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Try solving the problem in the rest frame of the original particle, and then transform back to the lab frame.
 


In the frame of original particle, the daughter particles will have equal and opposite momentum.

Then?how to proceed?
 


What are the energy and the magnitude of the momentum of each particle?
 
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velocity of the particles in the frame of original particle,v=\frac{\frac{c%<br /> }{2}+v^{\prime }}{1+\frac{v^{\prime }c}{2c^{2}}}
magnitude of momentum,p=\frac{2}{5}\frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}}}
Energy =\left( p^{2}c^{2}+m^{2}c^{4}\right) ^{1/2}

am i correct?
But things seems much more complicated.:confused:
 


You're kind of going backwards. First, what is the energy of the particle in its rest frame? Then by conservation of energy, what can you say about the energy of the decay products? Then calculate their momenta.
 


At rest frame,

Energy = mc2

By conservation of energy,

2(p^{2}c^{2}+\frac{4}{25}m^{2}c^{4})^{1/2}=mc^{2}

p=\frac{3}{10}mc

is that right?
 


and velocity of the daughter particle in this frame,
v=\frac{3}{5}c
 


And on converting it to lab frame,i got,

v=\frac{c}{7}

I think now i started to understand. Thanks a lot :smile::smile:
 
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humanist rho said:
At rest frame,

Energy = mc2

By conservation of energy,

2(p^{2}c^{2}+\frac{4}{25}m^{2}c^{4})^{1/2}=mc^{2}

p=\frac{3}{10}mc

is that right?
Looks good. You'll find in general that when trying to solve problems in relativity like this one, it's best to stick with energy E and momentum p when you can and only resort to working with velocity v/c when absolutely necessary.

humanist rho said:
and velocity of the daughter particle in this frame,
v=\frac{3}{5}c
To be a bit pedantic, this is the speed of each daughter particle. You still have to account for their directions.

humanist rho said:
And on converting it to lab frame,i got,

v=\frac{c}{7}

I think now i started to understand. Thanks a lot :smile::smile:
What's the speed of the other daughter particle in the lab frame?
 
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In the frame of original particle,
Each new particle has velocity ,±5c/3 .

In the lab frame one particle has velocity +11c/13 and other has velocity -c/7.

Why aren't they equal? even when both of them have same mass and is produced from same particle?
 
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If they were equal in the lab frame that would violate conservation of momentum, since the original particle has non-zero momentum...
 
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yes i understood. thanks. :)
 

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