Solving Nonpolar Solubility: CO2 & CH4

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the solubility of nonpolar gases, specifically CO2 and CH4, and the factors influencing their mixing behavior. Participants explore concepts related to intermolecular forces, density, and thermodynamics, questioning the rationale behind the dissolution of nonpolar substances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while CO2 and CH4 are both nonpolar and mix, the density difference raises questions about whether CO2 would settle to the bottom.
  • Another participant suggests that intermolecular forces, even weak ones like induced dipole-induced dipole interactions, outweigh the effects of gravity, implying that density is not a significant factor in their mixing.
  • Entropy is introduced as a concept that drives mixing, with a reference to the second law of thermodynamics, suggesting that systems tend to become more chaotic.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the mechanisms behind nonpolar solubility, particularly contrasting it with the dissolution of ionic compounds in polar solvents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of density in the mixing of nonpolar gases and the role of intermolecular forces versus gravitational effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms behind nonpolar solubility.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the nature of intermolecular forces and the conditions under which mixing occurs that are not fully explored. The discussion does not clarify the energetic favorability of mixing nonpolar substances.

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This is not a homework question. It's the beginning of August for pete's sake.

I read that like dissolves like, but what about the density of the molecules that are being dissolved? For instance in a solution (gaseous or liquid) of CO2 and CH4, they are both nonpolar, so they mix. However, CO2 is quite a bit more dense. So wouldn't it settle to the bottom?

The above situation doesn't make sense to me on why they dissolve in the first place either. I understand how ionic molecules dissolve in a polar substance. For instance, NaCl in H2O. The crystalline substance, NaCl, is more or less picked apart by water molecules due to attraction of opposite charges, but there is a lack of opposite charge attraction in NON polar molecules other than dispersion forces from what I understand. What makes a nonpolar substance dissolve another one? Is this a situation where "It just does?"
 
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The force of gravity is really quite trivial compared to intermolecular forces, even those as weak as induced dipole-induced dipole interactions. So the density of the compounds ends up not really mattering. Another approach to thinking about this is entropy. Things in our universe like to become more chaotic, this is the second law of thermodynamics. So if you put two liquids or gases together they usually mix (unless mixing is too energetically unfavorable, such as in the case of oil and water.)
 

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