Solving Parametric Equations: Eliminate t & Find x-y Cartesian Equation

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The discussion revolves around eliminating the parameter from the given parametric equations x=3t/(1+t³) and y=3t²/(1+t³) to find a Cartesian equation relating x and y. Participants are exploring the complexities of working with these equations in the context of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty of expressing t in terms of y and substituting it back into the equation for x. There is mention of the similarity between the x and y equations and the potential use of this similarity in the problem-solving process. Some participants express confusion over their previous attempts and the challenges posed by the cubic nature of the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the relationships between x, y, and t. There is recognition that eliminating t is necessary, but the path to do so is unclear. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to define x and y as functions of t within a specific interval, but no consensus has been reached on a clear method forward.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with a cubic equation when attempting to express t in terms of x, which adds to the complexity of the problem. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for a single-valued and well-behaved mapping for the inverse function.

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Hello forum! I have yet another question concerning calculus and the topic we're doing right now is extremely confusing for me.

Homework Statement

Eliminate the parameter from the parametric equations x=3t/(1+t3), y=3t2/(1+t3), and hence find an Cartesian equation in x and y for this
curve.

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The Attempt at a Solution



ummm, i have no idea how to approach this question, i assume with parametric equation you need to express t in terms of y and plug in it another equation where x is defined... however, these two equations are pretty complicated and you can't really express t in terms of y and plug it in another equation, what do you do?

I notice the x and y equations are very similar except that y=t^2 in numerator and I am certain you should use that somehow...but I have no idea how
 
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So it's y(x) = x t(x), but t(x) can't be expressed in a simple manner, since it should come from a cubic.
 
dextercioby said:
So it's y(x) = x t(x), but t(x) can't be expressed in a simple manner, since it should come from a cubic.

I guess...

turns out my x=y^2 was wrong, now I am completely lost.

actually yeah, i just fond out y(x)=x * t(x), i just plugged in some numbers and it turned out y/x=t, what do i do with that?
 
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Still can't get it.

I guess writing it as y(x)=xt(x) works but shouldn't we get rid of t in our equation?
 
You should get rid of t, of course, but it ain't easy. To get somewhere, you should first have x and y defined as functions of t on a certain interval, i.e. look for the inverse function t =t(x) only when this exists, i.e. on the set of x's on which the mapping is single valued and well-bahaved.

But then even this can't guarantee you that t=t(x) can be found without solving the cubic with Cardano's formulae.
 

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