Solving Problems Using Ratios: Tips & Tricks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around problem-solving techniques in physics, specifically focusing on the use of ratios in solving thermodynamics problems. Participants share their experiences and seek tips for recognizing when to apply this method effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a personal struggle with recognizing when to use ratios in problem-solving, particularly in thermodynamics.
  • Another participant suggests looking for closed systems and understanding general laws, such as the gas law, as helpful strategies.
  • A participant raises a question about the validity of using the ratio P1/T1 = P2/T2, seeking clarification on the underlying principles that allow this simplification.
  • In response, another participant explains the relationship between the states of a gas using the ideal gas law and how it leads to the derivation of the ratio.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of using ratios in solving thermodynamics problems, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific conditions and principles that justify these approaches.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the ideal gas behavior and the conditions under which the ratios apply are not fully explored, leaving room for further discussion on the limitations of these methods.

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Students in physics, particularly those studying thermodynamics, as well as educators looking for insights into common student challenges with problem-solving techniques.

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Hello,

I'm currently in my 2nd year of physics and one thing I've noticed is how often problems can be solved using ratios, for example I had a problem in my thermodynamics class that involved finding a temperature after knowing its pressure and using the triple-point of water and its pressure as a reference point, I had put so much effort into this question and could not understand it, then a friend in my class solved in very easily using ratios. This is something that happens frequently with me (I think I over think the issue), anyways... does anyone have any tips in recognizing this type of problem solving using a ratio?

Thanks
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Look for closed systems.
Know general laws like the gas law.
Recognise opposing effects, eg. temperature and pressure.

Dimensional analysis is also a big help.
 
I guess the problem I have with it is, if I have two equations, like with this example it was PV = nRT , but in this case I would have that equation twice (one for the totally known system and one for the "half" known system), and since n,R and V are constant I can just ignore them, but what is it that allows me to then say P1/T1 = P2/T2, which is what I did to solve for the unknown temp... does my question make sense, I hope it does

Thanks for the reply
 
I am not sure if understood your question.
For this example, it is quite simple:
1st state : P1V1/T1 =nR and 2nd state: P2V2/T2 =nR so
P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2
That equation holds for any fixed amount of gas (ideal)
So you can have some other derivative equations :
T = const ==> P1V1=P2V2
V=const ==> P1/T1=P2/T2 etc..
 
oh, ok, yeah I get it now. thanks :)
 

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