Solving quadratics with fractions

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The discussion revolves around solving quadratic equations that involve fractions. Participants explore various methods for manipulating these equations, particularly focusing on the correct application of algebraic techniques to eliminate fractions and simplify the expressions.

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  • One participant presents a quadratic equation with fractions and expresses confusion about the correct method to solve it.
  • Another participant suggests multiplying both sides by the product of the denominators to eliminate the fractions.
  • Several participants share their attempts to solve the equation, leading to different results and expressions, indicating potential errors in their calculations.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of careful handling of rational functions and suggests a method for combining fractions with a common denominator.
  • Another participant points out a mistake in the multiplication process, suggesting that division should have been used instead.
  • A later reply provides a detailed breakdown of the steps taken to simplify the equation, including cross-multiplication and combining like terms.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance and reflects on the challenges of re-learning mathematics.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method or results, as multiple competing approaches and calculations are presented, leading to confusion and differing outcomes.

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Some steps in the calculations are not fully resolved, and there are indications of missing assumptions or errors in the algebraic manipulations. The discussion reflects a range of understanding and approaches to solving the problem.

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Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere but I'm having problems with equations such as this which are quadratics with fractions:

2 over 3x + 1 PLUS 3 over 1-x = 1/2.

I know you are supposed to multiply each term by the product of the denominators but i keep getting weird results -so if someone could show me their reliable method, I'd be really grateful.

Thanks a lot!
 
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Simonio said:
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere but I'm having problems with equations such as this which are quadratics with fractions:

2 over 3x + 1 PLUS 3 over 1-x = 1/2.

I know you are supposed to multiply each term by the product of the denominators but i keep getting weird results -so if someone could show me their reliable method, I'd be really grateful.

Thanks a lot!

do you mean

$\frac{2}{3x+1} + \frac{3}{1-x} = \frac{1}{2}$
 
Yes!
 
then you multiply by (3x+1)(1-x) on both sides what do you get ?
 
kaliprasad said:
then you multiply by (3x+1)(1-x) on both sides what do you get ?
Well, I get 7x=3 (on the left hand side) = 12x squared-8x + 4

So: 12x squared - 8x +4 = 7x + 3

So: 12x squared -15x -1 = 0 which I then can't seem to factorize(Angry) I've obviously done something fundamentally wrong---help!:confused:
 
Simonio said:
Well, I get 7x=3 (on the left hand side) = 12x squared-8x + 4

So: 12x squared - 8x +4 = 7x + 3

So: 12x squared -15x -1 = 0 which I then can't seem to factorize(Angry) I've obviously done something fundamentally wrong---help!:confused:
both are wrong. Could you show all the steps
 
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kaliprasad said:
both are wrong. Could you show all the steps

I've tried it again:

(3x + 1)(1-x)2/3x+1 = 2 - 2x
(3x+1)(1-x)3/1-x = 9x+3
(3x+1)(1-x)1/2 = (6x=2)(2-2x) = -12x squared + 8x + 4

So: -12x squared +8x +4 = 7x = 5

This doesn't look right! Where am I going wrong?
 
Simonio said:
I've tried it again:

(3x + 1)(1-x)2/3x+1 = 2 - 2x
(3x+1)(1-x)3/1-x = 9x+3
(3x+1)(1-x)1/2 = (6x=2)(2-2x) = -12x squared + 8x + 4

So: -12x squared +8x +4 = 7x = 5

This doesn't look right! Where am I going wrong?

I am unable to follow your steps

$\frac{2}{3x+1} + \frac{3}{1-x} = \frac{1}{2}$

shall become

$2(1-x) + 3(3x+1) =\frac{(3x+1)(1-x)}{2}$

can you proceed from here
 
kaliprasad said:
I am unable to follow your steps

$\frac{2}{3x+1} + \frac{3}{1-x} = \frac{1}{2}$

shall become

$2(1-x) + 3(3x+1) =\frac{(3x+1)(1-x)}{2}$

can you proceed from here

So: 7x+5 = (Multiply by 2) (6x squared + 2)(1-x) = 6x squared + 4x + 2

So: 6x squared +4x + 2= 7x + 5

How does this look now?? Thanks
 
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Simonio said:
So: 7x+5 = (Multiply by 2) (6x squared + 2)(1-x) = 6x squared + 4x + 2

So: 6x squared +4x + 2= 7x + 5

How does this look now?? Thanks

you should divide RHS by 2 but you multiplied
 
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kaliprasad said:
you should divide RHS by 2 but you multiplied

I multiplied by 2 to cancel out the fraction.
 
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When I do these types of problems, I have to remember to be very careful, as it is easy to make a mistake.

I treat "rational functions" (fractions where we have variables in the numerator and denominator) just like "ordinary fractions".

As you may recall, if we want to add 2 fractions, we need to get a common denominator, in order to add the numerators.

So, we turn:

$\dfrac{2}{3x + 1}$ into:

$\dfrac{2(1 - x)}{(3x + 1)(1 - x)}$ and:

$\dfrac{3}{1-x}$ into:

$\dfrac{3(3x + 1)}{(3x + 1)(1 - x)}$.

Now we can "add the tops" while "keeping the bottoms", that is:

$\dfrac{2}{3x + 1} + \dfrac{3}{1-x} = \dfrac{2(1 - x)}{(3x + 1)(1 - x)} + \dfrac{3(3x + 1)}{(3x + 1)(1 - x)}$

$ = \dfrac{2(1 - x) + 3(3x + 1)}{(3x + 1)(1 - x)}$.

This is a bit messy, so let's clean it up a little bit:

The bottom is:

$(3x + 1)(1 - x) = (3x + 1)(1) - (3x + 1)(x) = 3x + 1 - 3x^2 - x = -3x^2 + 2x + 1$

The top is:

$2(1 - x) + 3(3x + 1) = 2 - 2x + 9x + 3 = 7x + 5$

So our original equation:

$\dfrac{2}{3x + 1} + \dfrac{3}{1 - x} = \dfrac{1}{2}$

is equivalent to:

$\dfrac{7x + 5}{-3x^2 + 2x + 1} = \dfrac{1}{2}$

To "un-fraction-ize", we "cross-multiply" so we get:

$(2)(7x + 5) = -3x^2 + 2x + 1$, which we can then simplify to:

$3x^2 + 12x + 9 = 0$

You should be able to factor this fairly easily.

Do you understand the steps I have taken?
 
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Thanks a lot, that's great. You are quite right to say that it is easy to make a mistake! One can easy make a discrepancy with the signs and sometimes very basic addition and subtraction! I'm a 54 year-old dad who is re-learning some of this stuff to help his son, so some of this maybe to do with my age -but I really appreciate the help, this is a really great site.
 

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