Solving Retaining Wall Problem with No Math/Engineering Knowledge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around constructing a round retaining wall on a slope using stackable bricks. Participants explore methods for ensuring the bricks form a proper circular shape while addressing challenges related to construction techniques and previous errors in the project.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about their knowledge of math and engineering, seeking advice on how to ensure the bricks form a 10'3" circle.
  • One participant suggests using a rod and a level to create a guide for laying the bricks, emphasizing the importance of avoiding cumulative errors in construction.
  • Another participant agrees with the proposed method of using a plumb line and garden hose to maintain the correct diameter and suggests laying out the bricks on a flat surface first.
  • A participant mentions the importance of proper foundation preparation with gravel and drainage to ensure the longevity of the retaining wall.
  • One participant expresses agreement with the advice given, indicating a shared understanding of the proposed solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of maintaining an even diameter and using practical methods to guide the construction. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to ensure the gaps between the bricks are managed effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention previous experiences with construction errors and emphasize the need for careful planning and execution, but specific mathematical calculations or engineering principles are not detailed.

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Individuals interested in DIY landscaping, construction techniques for retaining walls, or those facing similar challenges in building projects may find this discussion beneficial.

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I know nothing about math/engineering, so I apologize if this isn't the proper place to post this question. Maybe I should be in a builder's forum or something. :confused: Anyways...

I'm building a round retaining wall on a slope at the corner of my house. I'm using stackable bricks that look like this:

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The dimensions of the brick are 12" W (at the widest point) x 4" H x 8" D. The backside of the brick is 9" W and it's 8" along the side from front to back.

Since I'm building on a slope, I have to step the bricks up 4 bricks high from the lowest point to ground level at the top, kind of like this:

http://www.wieserconcrete.com/images/evergreen_3.jpg

I want the top row to be 10' ft. in diameter and since the bricks stack with a 1" lip in the back, the bottom row will be 10'3" in diameter.

Since the bricks are conforming to a circle of my own dimensions, they will only touch at the widest point, leaving a wedge shaped gap between each brick. Given the size and shape of the bricks, how can I determine the space between the back of each brick to insure that it forms a 10'3" circle?
 
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biggcheese - in my first drafting class we went over cumulative error - its the idea of one error added to another and so on. After a while, a small error becomes much bigger. Simply looking at the gap at the back of the block means you're likely to end up with a problem, and you're complicating manual labor too.

Instead, drive a rod into the ground at the center of the circle you want. Drill a hole in a 2x4 to put on the rod and another hole at the radius you desire (say 5' 1.5"). Attach a small level to the 2x4 to keep it level. Then use a plum bob suspended from the hole representing the outside radius and lay out a piece of garden hose on the ground representing the outside of the circle. Now you can lay the blocks in place against the hose, first row done! And if the hose is 1" in diameter you can use it as a spacer for each consecutive layer.

KISS (Keep It Simple Sam)

Hope you prepped things well with gravel and drainage and have sand to fill the gaps between the blocks, it'll make it season much better.
 
Thanks Cliff.

Maybe I'm becoming over-cautious because I've had to redo the job twice and still didn't get it right. I like the idea of the plumb line and the hose, I think that will help a lot. I guess if I can keep the outside diameter even, the gap will take care of itself.

I'm going to lay the bricks out on the driveway and see how the circle works out there, and then I'll try laying the bricks into the slope with the level and plumb line. Thanks a lot for your help!
 
No problem. Check out the show "Ask This Old House" on PBS from time to time. They address emailed questions on topics from wallpaper or window replacement to plumbing and landscaping.

For putting in a retaining wall or even just pavers, the landscaping guy went into a lot of emphasis on prepping the foundation with gravel and compacting before laying the block. After watching it, it makes sense why landscape pavers I've put down a few years ago didn't turn out 100% either. :smile:
 
Hii I think Cliff has replied very smartly.I think too like that to solve the Bigcheese's Problem.
 

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