Solving Series Tests with n > 1: What to Do?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter icochea1
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Series
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the application of series tests when the index of summation starts at integers greater than one, specifically n=2 or n=3. Participants explore the implications of this on convergence and the use of specific tests like the Alternating Series test and geometric series.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that starting the index at n=2 or n=3 does not affect the convergence of a series, as adding or subtracting a finite number of terms is permissible.
  • Others propose that when using the Alternating Series test, the process remains the same regardless of whether n equals 1 or a higher integer.
  • There is a mention that comparisons between series may only hold for certain values of n, indicating that conditions may vary.
  • Some participants affirm that series tests apply equally well to sums starting at any finite integer greater than one, reiterating the idea that changing finitely many terms does not impact convergence.
  • A participant raises a specific case regarding geometric series, noting that the convergence behavior differs when starting at a finite integer compared to starting at 1 or 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that starting the index at a finite integer does not affect convergence, but there are nuances regarding specific series types, such as geometric series, that remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the series and the specific tests being applied may not be fully articulated, leading to potential gaps in understanding the implications of starting indices on convergence.

icochea1
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
I see that most series tests says that it needs to be like

(infinity)
E (An)
n=1

what happens when you get a problem that is for example n=2 or n=3?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Well, we start with n=2,3,.. sometimes because of the function at question. But it doesn't make any difference, since the addition or subtraction of a finite number of terms doesn't affect the convergence of a series.
 
sutupidmath said:
Well, we start with n=2,3,.. sometimes because of the function at question. But it doesn't make any difference, since the addition or subtraction of a finite number of terms doesn't affect the convergence of a series.


so for example if I have to use the Alternating Series test and n=2 I just work the same as if it equaled to 1?
 
sometimes if you are comparing two series, say a, b. it might happen that for example

a<b, only for n> say 4 or sth.
 
Are you referring to tests which tell you whether or not some given infinite series converges?

If so, the tests apply equally well to sums in which the index of summation starts at some finite integer larger than one because you can always change finitely many terms of a series (or sequence) without affecting whether or not the series (or sequence) converges.
 
Last edited:
Pere Callahan said:
Are you referring to tests which tell you whether or not some given infinite series converges?

If so, the tests apply equally well to sums in which the index of summation starts at some finite integer larger at one because you can always change finitely many terms of a seris (or sequence) without affecting whether or not the series (or sequence) converges.

thanks so much that's all I needed to know. An exception would be for example if Its a geometric series and I need to get a number right?
 
icochea1 said:
thanks so much that's all I needed to know. An exception would be for example if Its a geometric series and I need to get a number right?

This is right. For a geometric series you can write

[tex] \sum_{n=N}^\infty{q^n}=\sum_{n=1}^\infty{q^n}-\sum_{n=1}^{N-1}{q^n}=\frac{q}{1-q}-\frac{q-q^N}{1-q}=\frac{q^N}{1-q}[/tex]

which is (of course) different from what you would expet for a "complete" geometric series, corresponding to N=1 (or N=0, as you like). However, for each natural N, the series converges exactly for all q whose absolute value is strictly less than unity.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
6K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
6K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K