Solving Simple Relativity: Time, Speed Reduction & More

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The discussion revolves around a relativity problem involving two balls moving towards each other along the x-axis at speeds of c/2, with a focus on calculating the time taken for them to meet in different frames of reference. The problem includes multiple parts that explore concepts of time, speed, and relativistic effects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for time taken for the balls to meet, questioning the application of speed addition in a single frame of reference. Some express confusion regarding the use of Lorentz transformations and the implications of different frames of reference on the problem.

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Some participants have confirmed the correctness of initial calculations for part a) and the reasoning for part b). However, there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the approach for part c) and the appropriateness of using Lorentz transformations. Clarifications about the nature of the frames of reference and the events being analyzed are being sought.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the interpretation of distances and frames of reference, particularly in distinguishing between the rest frame of one object and the moving frame of the other. There is an acknowledgment that the events in parts a) and c) are not directly comparable due to their differing contexts.

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In frame S, two balls are traveling along the x-axis directly to each other, both have the same speed c/2. They are 150x10^8m apart. being that c=3x10^8ms^-1
a) in frameS, how long does it take to reach each other?
b) given the answer to a), at what speed is the distance between the
objects decreasing?
c) one objects is at the rest frmae, how long does it take the objects to reach each other if thery are 150x10^8m apart?
d)Now in frame S the two objects are again going towards each other, but now with different speed (v,u). They start "d" away from each other?
In the same frame, how long do they take to reach each other?

The way I solved this problem was
a) v=d/t, therefore t=d/v, so i plugged in (150x10^8/2)/(c/2)
b) I'm struggling. In this case i wrote down c, because is asking the whole distance so i just added both speeds (c/2+c/2). Am i right? can someone explain in details
c)since it's a frame in rest and the other moving I used t'=γ(t-(v/c^2)x) and i plugged in the numbers since i know t,distace(150x10^8) and v(c/2).
d) I'm lost. I know that if my b is correct the speed is going to decrease by that amount but then how should I approach this problem?
 
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hansbahia said:
The way I solved this problem was
a) v=d/t, therefore t=d/v, so i plugged in (150x10^8/2)/(c/2)
b) I'm struggling. In this case i wrote down c, because is asking the whole distance so i just added both speeds (c/2+c/2). Am i right? can someone explain in details

You've done part a) correctly. You are also correct with part b). It is simple addition (as you've done), because it is all within one frame of reference. You would only have to use a complicated formula if you were using velocities in different frames of reference.
 
hansbahia said:
c) one objects is at the rest frmae, how long does it take the objects to reach each other if thery are 150x10^8m apart?

This question is a bit more difficult. To start with, is it supposed to represent the same system as before, just according to a different frame of reference? Also, with respect to what frame of reference are they 150x10^8m apart? Is it this reference frame?
 
Yes "is it supposed to represent the same system as before, now according to a different frame of reference". The question is the same as how long does it take the objects to reach each other if they start 150x10^8m apart in the frame rest frame of one of the objects. I just assumed they were different frames I used Lorentz equation for t'.
 
You shouldn't be using Lorentz transformation. The time difference for part c) is not just a Lorentz transform of the time difference for part a). This is because the events representing the 'initial' space-time coordinates of the balls are different for parts a) and c). In other words, its not just a change of frame of reference; we are also talking about different events.

There is another equation you should use. In the rest frame, you know one ball is stationary, so what do you need to find out about the other ball to get the answer?
 

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