Solving Sound Wave Confusion: Finding Intensity at Distance d_0 from Source

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between sound intensity and distance, specifically how to determine the distance from a sound source at which the decibel level decreases to 0 dB, given an initial intensity level in decibels at 1 meter. Participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem and the implications of sound intensity not reaching zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the inverse square relationship between intensity and distance, questioning whether the problem seeks the distance at which intensity reaches zero or a specific threshold. There is also mention of the logarithmic relationship between decibels and intensity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the logarithmic relationship involved in calculating intensity in decibels, and there is an ongoing exploration of how to express the distance in terms of the initial decibel level. The conversation reflects a mix of confusion and attempts to clarify the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption regarding the limit of hearing being 1 dB, which some participants question. The discussion also highlights the challenge of expressing the distance in relation to the initial intensity level without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


In general, if a sound has intensity of beta dB at 1 m from the source, at what distance d_0 from the source would the decibel level decrease to 0 dB? Since the limit of hearing is 1 dB this would mean you could no longer hear it.
Express the distance in terms of beta. Be careful about your signs!

I know that the relationship between the intensity and distance is an inverse square relationship, but I'm not sure what exactly the question is looking for. Do i have to find the distance when it goes to 0 or to 1 ? Because if that is zero, then even after 100m, the intensity wouldn't be zero ?

im confused !
 
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You are right, the intensity won't fall to zero. But there is a log in the relation between dB and intensity.
 
so how do i get it to zero ? i mean keep on increasing distance till log of it = 0, and how do i write it in terms of beta ? :S
 
Ok, let 'I' be the intensity at 1m and 'I0' be the intensity at 0dB. dB=10*log(I/I0) (all logs base 10). So beta=10*log(I/I0). You know at distance Rm the intensity becomes I/R^2. So 0=10*log((I/I0)/R^2). Now use a property of logs.
 
HeLLz aNgeL said:

Homework Statement


In general, if a sound has intensity of beta dB at 1 m from the source, at what distance d_0 from the source would the decibel level decrease to 0 dB? Since the limit of hearing is 1 dB this would mean you could no longer hear it.

im confused !

Why do you say the limit of hearing is 1 dB?
 
Dick said:
Ok, let 'I' be the intensity at 1m and 'I0' be the intensity at 0dB. dB=10*log(I/I0) (all logs base 10). So beta=10*log(I/I0). You know at distance Rm the intensity becomes I/R^2. So 0=10*log((I/I0)/R^2). Now use a property of logs.


thanks a ton ! finally got it ... this one was a bugger ! thanks again...
 

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