Solving Subterranean Trains Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving subterranean trains traveling through straight tunnels within the Earth. The problem requires participants to analyze gravitational forces and motion, specifically focusing on simple harmonic motion and the relationship between gravitational acceleration and distance from the Earth's center.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and motion, noting similarities to pendulum equations and questioning the implications of these similarities. Some express confusion about the problem's requirements and seek hints for further understanding.

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Some participants have made progress by drawing diagrams and relating the problem to known equations, while others are still grappling with the initial concepts. Guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical relationships involved, particularly in relation to simple harmonic motion.

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There are indications of varying interpretations of the problem setup, particularly concerning the definition of "straight" tunnels and the assumptions about gravitational forces. The discussion also touches on the implications of friction and the shape of tunnels for optimal travel time.

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Very fast trains can travel from one city to another in straight subterranean tunnels. Assume that the density of the Earth is constant so that the acceleration of gravity as a function of the radial distance r from the center of the Earth is g=(GM/R^3)r, where G, M, and R are constants.

1. Show that the component of gravity along the track of the train is gx=-(GM/R^3)x where x is measured from the midpoint of the track.
2. Neglecting friction, show that the motion of the train along the track is simple harmonic motion with a period independent of the length of the track.
[tex]T_0 = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{R ^3}{g}}[/tex]

The first thing that I notice, is that
[tex]T = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{R ^3}{g}}[/tex]
looks suspiciously like
[tex]T = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{\ell}{g}}[/tex]

And [tex]g_x=G\frac{M}{R^3}x[/tex] looks suspiciously like:

[tex]F = G \frac{m_1 m_2}{r^2}[/tex]
[tex]F=m_1 a_1[/tex]
[tex]a_1= \frac {F}{m_1}[/tex]
[tex]a_1 = G \frac{m_2}{r^2}[/tex]

And other than that, I'm stuck. I don't even understand what this problem is asking for sure yet. And just because something "looks" like something doesn't mean necessarily it's right, but both of the equations do look quite suspicious! I would be pleased with any hints.
 
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Ok, I made a small bit of progress with the pendulum equation similarity idea. I drew a diagram of a sector of a slice of the earth, with radius r, angle theta, and therefore the arc length would be:
[tex]s = r \theta[/tex]

So, by trigonometry, the straight train tunnel/tracks is equal to [tex]r \tan \theta[/tex]

(Unless by "straight" it means curving along with the curve of a perfect sphere in which case it would just be s)

Also, velocity v cold be equated to change in theta, and then also acceleration and so on:
[tex]v = {ds\over dt} = \ell{d\theta\over dt}[/tex]
[tex]a = {d^2s\over dt^2} = \ell{d^2\theta\over dt^2}[/tex]
 
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Can someone answer this question please? I am in the same position the OP was at.
 
The 2nd part is straightforward: given the expression for force along x from the 1st part, the equation F = ma boils down to mx'' = -kx where k is given by the answer to the 1st part. This equation represents simple harmonic motion with radian frequency ω = √(k/m) and period = 2π/ω. Rather than trying to fit a pendulum's motion into your problem, concentrate on the math behind the formulas. For one thing, your pendulum formula is an approximation, valid for infinitely small perturbation angles only. The above equation has no such limitation. Which is why the question says "independent of the length of the track".

For the 1st part, come up with an expression that shows the force along x is proportional to the distance x away from the track's low point. This is so because gravity is postulated here to increase linearly with vertical distance away from the Earth's center, and thus also from the track's low point, and x is related to y by simple trig.
 
There have been so many views (> 1500) on this item that it suggests that subterranean trains are a fascinating subject to many.

Here's a question for some of them: given that one wants to construct an underground tunnel between two fixed surface points A and B, what shape should the tunnel take for a frictionless train to go from A to B in minimum time? The distance between A and B is L.

And unlike the OP's problem, consider g constant for the depths involved.
 
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