Solving the Complex Equation: d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O)

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O), which relates to the horizontal distance traveled by a cannonball fired from an angle. The context involves projectile motion and trigonometric identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether the goal is to prove the equation as an identity or to derive it from given conditions. There are attempts to simplify the equation using trigonometric identities, and questions are raised about the clarity of variable notation. Some participants suggest changing variable names for clarity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of understanding the context of the problem and the need for a diagram to visualize the scenario. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion arising from the choice of variable names, which resemble each other and the number zero. The problem involves a cannonball fired at an angle, with the hill's slope affecting the distance calculation.

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Homework Statement


So you basically have to prove this big long equation d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O)


Homework Equations


sin(O+o)=sin(O)cos(o)+sin(o)cos(O)


The Attempt at a Solution



so i have weeded it down to this:

d=2v2((sinOsinO/cosOcoso)+(sinocosO/coso)+(sinOcoso/cosO)+(cosOcoso))/g

so i have the sin(O+o)=sin(O)cos(o)+sin(o)cos(O) part but i don't know how to get rid of the denominators and to get the other parts of the equation!
 
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msadegian said:

Homework Statement


So you basically have to prove this big long equation d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O)
Are you trying to prove that the equation is an identity, or are you trying to solve the equation? I don't think you're actually trying to prove this is an identity, but I have no idea what you're trying to solve for.

BTW, you're setting yourself up for disaster by choosing o and O for variables, both of which look a lot alike, and both of which resemble 0 (zero).

I would strongly advise changing your variables to something like this:
d=2v2cos(a)sin(b+a)/gcos(b)
msadegian said:

Homework Equations


sin(O+o)=sin(O)cos(o)+sin(o)cos(O)


The Attempt at a Solution



so i have weeded it down to this:

d=2v2((sinOsinO/cosOcoso)+(sinocosO/coso)+(sinOcoso/cosO)+(cosOcoso))/g

so i have the sin(O+o)=sin(O)cos(o)+sin(o)cos(O) part but i don't know how to get rid of the denominators and to get the other parts of the equation!
 
you're trying to prove the distance
and yeah well those were just the variables that were given to us but you're right it would be a lot easier to use a and b or something

any idea on how to solve?

basically the question he gave us is:
A cannon ball is fired from an angle o with an initial velocity of v. The hill slopes own with an angle of O. Prove that the horizontal distance the cannon ball travels is given by d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O)
 
msadegian said:
you're trying to prove the distance
No, you're not trying to prove the distance, which makes no sense. You're trying to prove that the distance can be obtained from the formula you showed. IOW, if the gun is fired as described, you have to come up with the formula d=2v2cos(a)sin(b+a)/gcos(b). You don't start from it; you end up with it.

How is this distance measured - horizontally or along the ground down the hill? It makes a difference.

You're going about this the wrong way. Based on the given information, you should end up with the formula for distance. What you seem to be doing is trying to use trig identities to write the formula in a different way. That is not what the problem is asking you to do.

Have you drawn a diagram? I can guarantee that you will have no success without a drawing.

What are the forces on the round after it leaves the barrel of the gun?
msadegian said:
and yeah well those were just the variables that were given to us but you're right it would be a lot easier to use a and b or something

any idea on how to solve?

basically the question he gave us is:
A cannon ball is fired from an angle o with an initial velocity of v. The hill slopes own with an angle of O. Prove that the horizontal distance the cannon ball travels is given by d=2v2cos(o)sin(O+o)/gcos(O)

Again, change the variables, with o = a, and O = b.
 

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