Solving the Fermat Test for 513: Is it Prime?

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The discussion revolves around using the Fermat test to determine whether the number 513 is prime. The original poster outlines their approach by selecting a base 'a' and computing a specific modular exponentiation.

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  • The original poster attempts to compute 8^512 mod 513 as part of the Fermat test. They express uncertainty about how to perform this calculation effectively. Some participants suggest breaking down the exponentiation using properties of exponents and modular arithmetic.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights on exponentiation techniques. There is a lack of consensus on the best approach to compute the modular exponentiation, but the discussion is progressing with shared ideas.

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The original poster is working within the constraints of the Fermat test and is seeking assistance without being provided a complete solution. There is an emphasis on understanding the modular arithmetic involved.

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Homework Statement


Use the Fermat test to show that 513 is not a prime number.



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What i have so far is:

n=513
Then i pick an 'a' with 1<a<n
Let a=8

So i need to compute a^(n-1) mod n
-> 8^512 mod 513

If 8^512 is not congruent to 1 mod 513, then i have shown 513 is not a prime number.

However i am stuck with how to do this.

Any help would be great thanks!
 
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It might help to note that 512 = 2^9, so
8^512 = 8^(2^9) = (...(((8^2)^2)^2)...)^2)
 
Im still struggling with this question.

I don't follow the part,

=(...(((8^2)^2)^2)...)^2)
 
I mean, for example, that

(82)2 = 84
(the square of the square is the fourth power),
((82)2)2 = (84)2) = 88,
and so on.

Also, the operation of squaring is "compatible" with modulo calculus, in the sense that
84 (mod x) = (82)2 (mod x) = ((82 (mod x))2 (mod x).
So when you want the modulus of the fourth power, which is the modulus of the square of the square, you can first square once, take the modulus, then square again, and take the modulus (check it, for example take x = 3). You can apply this to find, for example, 8512 (mod 123) without first calculating 8512 (which no common calculator can do).

Does this make sense, so far?
 

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