Solving the Integral of $\sin x/x$ with Lebesgue Dominated Convergence

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The discussion centers on the properties of the integral of the function \(\sin x / x\) over the interval \([0, +\infty)\), particularly in relation to its Lebesgue and Riemann integrability. Participants explore the implications of the Lebesgue Dominated Convergence Theorem in this context, addressing the confusion surrounding the limits and definitions of integrals involving this function.

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  • One participant notes that \(\sin x / x\) is not Lebesgue integrable on \([0, +\infty)\) but is Riemann integrable, and discusses the implications of this for bounding the integral.
  • Another participant explains that the improper Lebesgue integral can be formed as \(\lim_{a \rightarrow 0, b \rightarrow \infty} \int_{a}^{b} \sin(x)/x dx\) and asserts that the limits exist and coincide with the Riemann integral.
  • There is a clarification regarding the limit of \(F_k(y)\) and its relation to the improper integral, emphasizing that the existence of the limit does not require the integral \(\int_{0}^{\infty} \sin(xy)/x dx\) to exist.
  • One participant expresses realization about the evaluation of limits without the function existing at certain points, drawing parallels to other limits like \(\lim_{x \to 0} \sin(x)/x\).

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Participants generally agree on the properties of the integrals discussed and the application of the Lebesgue Dominated Convergence Theorem, though some confusion remains regarding the definitions and limits involved. The discussion reflects a mix of clarification and exploration of the topic rather than a definitive resolution.

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Participants acknowledge that \(\sin x / x\) has infinite positive and negative parts, which contributes to its non-integrability in the Lebesgue sense. The discussion also highlights the nuances of improper integrals and their limits.

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It is well known that \sin x / x is not Lebesgue integrable on [0, +\infty) though it is (improper) Riemann Integrable. It is also fairly easily shown (integrating by parts) that
\Bigg\lvert \int\limits_{a}^{b} \frac{\sin x}{x} dx\Bigg\rvert \leq 4

Since [a,b] is compact, the Riemann and Lebesgue Integral of \sin x / x coincide on this set. As b \to \infty and a\to 0 the upper bound of 4 remains valid, though in the limit, the Lebesgue integral does not exist.


I am reading a book that asks the reader to prove the above bound, and in the text, it uses this fact in the computation of this integral:

\lim_{\epsilon \to 0}\int\limits_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(y) \Bigg\lvert \int\limits_{\epsilon^{-1}\geq x \geq \epsilon} \frac{\sin xy}{x} dx \Bigg\rvert dy

If we let F_{k}(y) = f(y) \Bigg\lvert \int\limits_{k^{-1}\geq x \geq k} \frac{\sin xy}{x} dx \Bigg\rvert and the bound of 4 above, we dominate F_k(y) by f(y)4.
If we assume f is bounded and in L^1 then we can use Lebesgue Dominated Convergence Theorem to pass the limit inside the integral.


Now, I get that F_k is uniformly bounded in k. However, if the integral is taken to be a Lebesgue integral (which, it is initially) then I don't see how \lim F_k is even defined. So, what is going on?


So, perhaps I am missing something obvious, but I am just a little confused by this. If I have missed something completely obvious, please don't hesitate to tell me!
 
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##\sin(x)/x## fails to be strictly Lebesgue integrable on ##[0,\infty)## because the integrals of its positive and negative parts are both infinite.

We may of course form an improper Lebesgue integral as ##\lim_{a \rightarrow 0, b \rightarrow \infty} \int_{a}^{b} \sin(x)/x dx##. Since the Lebesgue and Riemann integrals coincide for ##\int_{a}^{b} \sin(x)/x dx##, the limit as ##a \rightarrow 0, b \rightarrow \infty## exists and has the same value in both cases.

Your ##\lim_{k \rightarrow 0} F_k(y)## exists because it only requires the improper integral to exist:

$$\begin{align}
\lim_{k \rightarrow 0} F_k(y) &= \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} f(y) \left|\int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
&= f(y) \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} \left|\int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
&= f(y) \left| \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} \int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
\end{align}$$
where the last equality follows from continuity of the absolute value function. The object inside the absolute value in the last expression is simply the improper Lebesgue integral. Evaluating the limit does not require ##\int_{0}^{\infty} \sin(xy)/x dx## to exist.
 
jbunniii said:
##\sin(x)/x## fails to be strictly Lebesgue integrable on ##[0,\infty)## because the integrals of its positive and negative parts are both infinite.

We may of course form an improper Lebesgue integral as ##\lim_{a \rightarrow 0, b \rightarrow \infty} \int_{a}^{b} \sin(x)/x dx##. Since the Lebesgue and Riemann integrals coincide for ##\int_{a}^{b} \sin(x)/x dx##, the limit as ##a \rightarrow 0, b \rightarrow \infty## exists and has the same value in both cases.

Your ##\lim_{k \rightarrow 0} F_k(y)## exists because it only requires the improper integral to exist:

$$\begin{align}
\lim_{k \rightarrow 0} F_k(y) &= \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} f(y) \left|\int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
&= f(y) \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} \left|\int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
&= f(y) \left| \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} \int_{k}^{1/k} \sin(xy)/x dx\right|\\
\end{align}$$
where the last equality follows from continuity of the absolute value function. The object inside the absolute value in the last expression is simply the improper Lebesgue integral. Evaluating the limit does not require ##\int_{0}^{\infty} \sin(xy)/x dx## to exist.

Ahhh, yes, I see. It is obvious. Just as we can evaluate \lim_{x\to 0}x/x without the function existing at 0.

Thanks!
 
Robert1986 said:
Ahhh, yes, I see. It is obvious. Just as we can evaluate \lim_{x\to 0}x/x without the function existing at 0.
Yes, or ##\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\sin(x)/x## for that matter.
 

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