Solving the Order of Reactants: BrO3-, I-, H+

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The discussion revolves around determining the order of reactants in a chemical reaction involving bromate (BrO3-), iodide (I-), and hydrogen ions (H+). Participants are analyzing experimental data and calculations related to reaction rates, exploring the implications of their findings and the challenges they face in deriving consistent orders from their data.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents calculations for the order of reactants based on experimental data, noting discrepancies in the results.
  • Some participants request clarification on the data and calculations, specifically asking for units and descriptions of the numbers presented.
  • A participant questions the origin of a specific value (7.6E-7) used in the calculations, indicating a need for transparency in the data sources.
  • Another participant suggests using linear regression on log concentrations versus log reaction rates to find the best fit, implying that this could help clarify the order of the reactants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct order of the reactants, as participants express differing views on the calculations and the data presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which orders are accurate based on the provided information.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided complete data sets or clear definitions for all variables, which may affect the interpretation of the calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the reliability of the experimental results and the methods used to analyze them.

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Homework Statement



Calculate Order of Each Reactants
I am doing a lab on the reaction rates for k[BrO3-]y[I-]x[H+]z However when I do my calculations based on my data, i get different orders! The teacher said that will happen but how am I supposed to know which is the right one?


The Attempt at a Solution


log(5.3E-7/7.6E-7)/log(0.0017/0.0033)=0.5-I
log(5.3E-7/1.2E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0133)=1- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.8E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0200)=1.5- BrO3-
log(1.2E-6/2.8E-6)/log(0.0133/0.0200)=2- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.02E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0333)=2- H
log(5.3E-7/3.8E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0500)=2-H
log(2.02E-6/3.4E-6)/log(0.0333/0.0500)= 1 H
 
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I can't tell from your math what your numbers actually mean, since none of them have units or descriptions.

Can you list your data for each set of measurements?
 
Exp #---- Time of reaction (s) - -- Reaction rate (M/s)---- Initial Concentrations (M)
Trial 1---Trial 2---Trial 3-- -Average --- [I-] --- [BrO3-] ------[H+]
1- 26.27- -- 27.2 --- 24.5 ---25.99 ---5.3E-7---------0.0017---0.0067 ---0.0167

3 -9.59 --- 7.79 --- 5.68--- 7.69--- 1.8E-6------- 0.0050--- 0.0067--- 0.0167
4- 12.87 --- 11.8--- 10.75--- 11.8---1.2E-6 -------0.0017---0.0133 ---0.0167
5 -4.49---4.40--- 5.90--- 4.90 ---2.8E-6-------- 0.0017--- 0.0200--- 0.0167
6- 6.21---7.56--- 6.72 --- 6.83---2.02E-6---------0.0017---0.0067---0.0333
7- 4.39---4.14 --- 3.74--- 4.09--- 3.4E-6--- ---------0.0017--- 0.0067--- 0.0500for BrO3 i used experiments 1,4,5
for I i used experiment 1 and 3
and for H i used experiments 1,6 , 7

Calculations

log(5.3E-7/7.6E-7)/log(0.0017/0.0033)=1-I
log(5.3E-7/1.2E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0133)=1- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.8E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0200)=1.5- BrO3-
log(1.2E-6/2.8E-6)/log(0.0133/0.0200)=2- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.02E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0333)=2- H
log(5.3E-7/3.8E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0500)=2-H
log(2.02E-6/3.4E-6)/log(0.0333/0.0500)= 1 H
 
disneychannel said:
Calculations

log(5.3E-7/7.6E-7)/log(0.0017/0.0033)=1-I
Where does the 7.6e-7 come from?
log(5.3E-7/1.2E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0133)=1- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.8E-6)/log(0.0067/0.0200)=1.5- BrO3-
log(1.2E-6/2.8E-6)/log(0.0133/0.0200)=2- BrO3-
log(5.3E-7/2.02E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0333)=2- H
log(5.3E-7/3.8E-6)/log(0.0167/0.0500)=2-H
log(2.02E-6/3.4E-6)/log(0.0333/0.0500)= 1 H

Since you have 3 points for both of these, that's the minimum needed for linear regression.

Try graphing log[x] vs log(rate) and find the best straight line to fit the data.
 

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