Solving Unknown Variable: I^2 e^{-2x^2} d^2x

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the manipulation of integrals involving the exponential function, specifically addressing the expression for I and its square, I². Participants explore the relationships between variables x and y in the context of integration, as well as the proper notation and interpretation of differentials in integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the introduction of the variable y in the context of the integral, questioning how it relates to the variable x.
  • Another participant points out that integral signs are necessary and that the variable x is bound within the integral, suggesting that dx cannot be treated as a separate variable.
  • A participant clarifies that while the integrals of e^{-x^2} and e^{-y^2} are equal, the variables x and y do not imply that x equals y.
  • One participant reiterates their confusion about the notation and the implications of integrating with respect to x, emphasizing that once integrated, the variable should not appear again in the integral.
  • Fubini's theorem is mentioned, indicating that the product of two integrals can be represented as an iterated integral, though the implications of this theorem are not fully resolved in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proper treatment of the variables and notation in the integrals. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the variables and the notation used in the integrals.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the notation of differentials and the implications of integrating with respect to different variables. The discussion highlights the potential for confusion when using shorthand notation in mathematical expressions.

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I am confused about how the y variable came from?

I = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx

I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx e[tex]^{-y^{2}}[/tex] dy

The equation of I should be like this:

I = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx
I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = (e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex])[tex]^{2}[/tex] d[tex]^{2}[/tex]x
I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = e[tex]^{-2x^{2}}[/tex] d[tex]^{2}[/tex]x
 
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You're missing some integral signs, I believe. Remember that things like dx cannot be separated from the integral sign -- and that in the integrand, the variable x is "bound", and is not the same as an x on the outside. So:

[tex]I = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2}\,dx = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-y^2}\,dy[/tex]
[tex]I^2 = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2}\,dx \int_0^{\infty} e^{-y^2}\,dy[/tex]

One more thing: even if you were to be loose with notation and use what I refer to as "physicist shorthand" and treat dx as a variable of sorts, [tex]dx^2 \ne d^2x[/tex]
 
and can you tell me why x = y?
 
It doesn't, but

[tex]\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}\,dx= \int_0^{\infty}e^{-y^2}\,dy[/tex]
 
tomcenjerrym said:
I am confused about how the y variable came from?

I = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx

I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx e[tex]^{-y^{2}}[/tex] dy

The equation of I should be like this:

I = e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex] dx
I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = (e[tex]^{-x^{2}}[/tex])[tex]^{2}[/tex] d[tex]^{2}[/tex]x
I[tex]^{2}[/tex] = e[tex]^{-2x^{2}}[/tex] d[tex]^{2}[/tex]x
[tex]\int \int f(x) dx dx[/tex]
would make no sense- once you have integrated with respect to x, there is no "x" left to integrate again!

It is true, as DeadWolfe said, that
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}dx= \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-y^2}dy[/itex] <br /> because the x and y are "dummy" variables. You would integrate with respect to either, then evaluate at the end points (technically, take the limit) so there is no x or y in the final result- it doesn't matter what you call the variable.<br /> <br /> Of course, it is well known (Fubini's theorem) that the product<br /> [tex]\left(\int_a^b f(x)dx\right)\left(\int_c^d g(y)dy[/tex]<br /> is the same as the iterated integral <br /> [tex]\int_{x=a}^b\int_{y=c}^d f(x)g(y) dydx[/itex][/tex][/tex]
 

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