Solving Vector Fnet: What is Fnet at Time t=0?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ball of mass 1.2 kg moving in uniform circular motion in the xy plane. The ball's position and velocity at time t=0 are provided, alongside the known force acting on it. Participants are tasked with determining the direction of the net force (Fnet) and the unknown force acting on the ball.

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  • Participants explore the direction of the net force and question how to find the second force acting on the ball. There are discussions about the relationship between velocity, momentum, and the direction of forces in circular motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the direction of Fnet and discussing the nature of forces in uniform circular motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direction of the net force, emphasizing its relationship to centripetal force.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and relationships between forces in circular motion, with participants grappling with the implications of uniform motion and the role of centripetal force.

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In the dark in outer space, you observe a glowing ball of known mass 1.2 kg moving in the xy plane at constant speed in a circle of radius 4.5 m, with the center of the circle at the origin (< 0, 0, 0 > m). You can't see what's making it move in a circle. At time t=0 the ball is at location < -4.5, 0, 0 > m and has velocity < 0, 70, 0 > m/s.

a)
At time t=0, even though you can't see what's causing the motion, what can you conclude must be the direction of the vector Fnet?

b)You learn that at time t=0, two forces act on the ball, and that at this instant one of these forces is F1 = < -261, 1764, 0 > N. What is the other force?



Homework Equations


Fperpendicular is m(v^2/r)




The Attempt at a Solution


for the perpendicular force i got 1306.666667
which is right so i thought Fnet would be that or <0,1306.66667,0> but its not can someone please help? and idk how to do b please someone help!
 
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What is the direction of that net force? (Draw yourself a diagram of the motion.)
 
so would it be <0,j,0>?
and what about the 2nd questionnn?
 
ohheytai said:
so would it be <0,j,0>?
No.
and what about the 2nd questionnn?
First find the correct direction for Fnet, expressed as a vector. Then you can just use the vector equation Fnet = F1 + F2 to solve for the unknown force.
 
i don't get it how do you find the force then? it would be straight up would it be mass times velocity?
 
ohheytai said:
i don't get it how do you find the force then? it would be straight up would it be mass times velocity?
Did you draw a diagram of the motion, which is in the x-y plane?

You found the correct magnitude for the force, you just need the correct direction.
 
yes it would go straight up become Fnet is in the same direction of the momentum and velocity. so the direction would be <0,mv,0> right?
 
ohheytai said:
yes it would go straight up become Fnet is in the same direction of the momentum and velocity. so the direction would be <0,mv,0> right?
No. For uniform circular motion, what's the direction of Fnet?
 
Perpendicular? so it would be <mv,0,0>?
 
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ohheytai said:
Perpendicular? so it would be <mv,0,0>?
Momentum has nothing to do with it. Centripetal force always acts towards the center of the motion.
 
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okay so it is <mv,0,0> since the center is in the right?
 
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ohheytai said:
okay so it is <mv,0,0> since the center is in the right?
You have the correct direction, but 'mv' has nothing to do with it.
 
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ohhh wait wouldn't it be <Fperpendicular,0,0>?
 
  • #14
ohheytai said:
ohhh wait wouldn't it be <Fperpendicular,0,0>?
If by Fperpendicular you mean the centripetal force that you calculated, then yes.
 
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okay thanks you!
 
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