Solving Voltage Drop Problem on Robotics Project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a voltage drop issue encountered in a robotics project, specifically related to powering an embedded computer and motors from a battery. Participants explore potential solutions to mitigate the momentary voltage drop that causes the computer to restart when the motors are under load.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests adding a capacitor to the power cable of the computer to address the voltage drop issue, questioning if this would be effective given the brief nature of the drop.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for current specifications of the motors and computer, noting that a capacitor could discharge into the motors when they start, potentially reducing its effectiveness.
  • A proposed solution involves using a Schottky diode to charge a capacitor that would discharge only into the computer, allowing it to maintain voltage during drops while accounting for the diode's voltage drop.
  • One participant recommends modifying the software to implement a soft-start for the motors or using low-value resistances in series with the motors to reduce the initial current draw.
  • Another participant points out that many modern processors have a wide operating voltage range and suggests checking the processor's specifications, indicating that the voltage drop may be due to a reset chip that triggers when voltage dips below a certain threshold.
  • A mathematical approach is presented, where one participant provides a formula to calculate the minimum capacitor size needed based on the voltage drop and current requirements.
  • The original poster later mentions opting for a different battery solution, switching to a 7.4V lithium polymer battery with a voltage regulator as a fix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and proposed solutions, but there is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the voltage drop issue. Multiple competing ideas remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of specific current values for the motors and computer, as well as the potential impact of the reset chip's characteristics on the voltage drop issue.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals working on robotics projects, particularly those dealing with power management and voltage stability in embedded systems.

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22 Dec 2009 21:16 Voltage drop question
Hi All;

Total noob, first post:smile:

I'm working on a small robotics project. I have an embedded computer (5V) and 2 motors with a controller. It's all powered from a 4.8V NIMH battery.
The problem I'm having;

As the battery gets somewhat tired and I load the motors for starting or climbing a steep obstacle, the voltage drops a little from 5V to about 4.5 momentarily but it's just enough to restart the computer.

What I'm thinking of to solve this problem is adding a capacitor to the power cable of the computer. Would that help the problem? Like I said the drop only happens for a fraction of a second.

I know I could use a bigger battery but I have a room issue already as it is.

Thanx in advance.
 
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You would need to give the currents of the motors and the computer.

If you just put a capacitor across the power supply, it would discharge into the motors when they turned on. You would get some benefit if the capacitor was large enough, though.

If you could operate the computer with 4.65 volts, this diagram shows a way that might help.

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Using a Schottky diode, you could charge a capacitor which would then discharge only into the computer and not into the motors. Schottky dides have a drop of 150 mV (0.15 volts), so the 4.8 volts from the battery would drop to about 4.65 volts, but it would hold this voltage for short periods if the battery voltage dropped.
 
Could you modify the software so that the motors are always soft-started (progressively, not suddenly). Alternatively, try putting low-value resistances in series with the motors. Clearly if these are too big the motors will no longer work, but it might be worth trying.
 
I don't know what processor your using, but most modern ones have a large operating range (ie 3V - 5.5V). I'd check the part number on you processor and look up it's data sheet. Most likely, the operating voltage range will be listed in the first two pages (under features).
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Most likely, your drop out is caused by an overly protective reset chip. These little three pin chips measure the voltage and reset the processor when it dips. The beauty part is that for a given reset part number, the there are any number of voltages that are available - most from Digi Key.
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. Best Luck, keep me updated,
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. - Mike
 
I = C dV/dT, and dV in your case is 0.5v. Plug in your values to calc. your min. cap. size.

For 1 A, 1 second and a max 0.2v difference you'd need 5 F.
 
Thanx for all the help, I did a cheap fix. Went with a 2 cell 7.4V 1000MAH lithium polymer battery with a 5V voltage regulator...
 

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