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The discussion revolves around various algebraic problems, including factorization of polynomials and solving equations related to a right-angle triangle. The subject area includes algebra and geometry.

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  • Participants explore factorization techniques for polynomials, questioning whether their attempts are complete. There are discussions about using the difference of squares and factoring out common terms.
  • Some participants express confusion over the manipulation of equations, particularly regarding cross-multiplication and the interpretation of the original equations.
  • Questions arise about the factorization of integers and how they relate to the coefficients in the polynomial expressions.
  • One participant mentions the Pythagorean theorem in the context of solving for the sides of a triangle but notes a lack of success in finding a solution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on factorization and questioning assumptions about the equations. There is no explicit consensus on the solutions, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings in the original problem statements and the need for clarity in the equations being discussed. There is also mention of specific algebraic identities that may aid in factorization.

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Homework Statement


1, 2. Factorize completely:
80t^5-5t

3X-9X^2+12

solve: 3. 1/2x = 1/6+1/3X

4. A right-angle triangle has the hypotenuse 16.0, one of the short sides is 3 cm longer than the other. Area and perimeter?

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The Attempt at a Solution


1. 5t(16t^4-1)
2. x(3-9x)+12 are they completely factorized though?
3. I cross multiplied until I got: 18X = 5X^2 + 12X... can't get any further
4. no success
 
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Saturnfirefly said:

Homework Statement


1, 2. Factorize completely:
80t^5-5t

3X-9X^2+12

solve: 3. 1/2x = 1/6+1/3X

4. A right-angle triangle has the hypotenuse 16.0, one of the short sides is 3 cm longer than the other. Area and perimeter?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


1. 5t(16t^4-1)
Notice that 16t2= (4t)2 and 1= 12. There is a special formula for a "difference of two squares".

2. x(3-9x)+12 are they completely factorized though?
That isn't "factored" at all! It is not ( )( ). You should be able to see immediately that you can factor out a 3: 3x2- 9x+ 12= 3(x2- 3x+ 4). Now can you factor 4 into two integers whose "sum" is -3?

3. I cross multiplied until I got: 18X = 5X^2 + 12X... can't get any further
You mean, I think, "solve 1/(2x)= 1/6+ 1/(3x). (What you wrote could be interpreted as (1/2)x= 1/6+ (1/3)x.) You didn't really need to multiply the left side by 18: 6 would have done it. 1/6+ 1/(3x)= 1/6+ 2/(6x)= (x+ 2)/6x Any way, "cross multiplying": multiply the left by 18x and the right by 2x gives 18x= 2x2+ 4x. I find it confusing to "cross multiply". I would prefer to say "multiply both sides by the least common denominator" which is 6x: 6x(1/(2x))= 6x(1/6)+ (6x)(1/3x) so 3= x+ 2 (not what I got above- I messed up the "cross multiply"!) . Can you solve 3= x+ 2?

4. no success
A right-angle triangle has the hypotenuse 16.0, one of the short sides is 3 cm longer than the other. Area and perimeter?
Well, a "relevant equation" would be the Pythagorean theorem. If we call one side "x" and the other side is "3 cm longer", what would the other side be? Now put those into the Pythagorean theorem to get the equation you need to solve. Once you know the lengths of the sides, it is easy to find the area and perimeter of the triangle.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Notice that 16t2= (4t)2 and 1= 12. There is a special formula for a "difference of two squares".


That isn't "factored" at all! It is not ( )( ). You should be able to see immediately that you can factor out a 3: 3x2- 9x+ 12= 3(x2- 3x+ 4). Now can you factor 4 into two integers whose "sum" is -3?


You mean, I think, "solve 1/(2x)= 1/6+ 1/(3x). (What you wrote could be interpreted as (1/2)x= 1/6+ (1/3)x.) You didn't really need to multiply the left side by 18: 6 would have done it. 1/6+ 1/(3x)= 1/6+ 2/(6x)= (x+ 2)/6x Any way, "cross multiplying": multiply the left by 18x and the right by 2x gives 18x= 2x2+ 4x. I find it confusing to "cross multiply". I would prefer to say "multiply both sides by the least common denominator" which is 6x: 6x(1/(2x))= 6x(1/6)+ (6x)(1/3x) so 3= x+ 2 (not what I got above- I messed up the "cross multiply"!) . Can you solve 3= x+ 2?

I've solved the last one. But the two first I can't get at all :(...
 
The first one: 5t(16t4-1) can be further factorized by a great amount. And remember:
(a - b)(a + b) = a2 - ab + ab - b2 = a2 - b2

For the next one: (x + a)(x +b) = x2 + bx + ax + ab = x2 + x(a + b) + ab

Try to compare your equations with these.
 
What are the possible ways of factoring 4 into two integers? Do any of those add up to -3?
 
For the second question, the original equation is -9x2 + 3x + 12, not 3x2 - 9x + 12, but HallsofIvy's suggestions for factoring still apply.
 

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