Some finds of fossil Devonian fungus "Prototaxites"

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The discussion centers around the fossil "Prototaxites," which is believed to be a type of fungus from the Silurian and Devonian periods. Participants explore its characteristics, historical interpretations, and personal finds, as well as the potential for collecting and exchanging specimens.

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  • One participant describes "Prototaxites" as resembling logs of petrified wood and suggests it dominated the landscape during a time when land plants were less developed.
  • Historical interpretations of "Prototaxites" have evolved from being considered algae to having fungal affinities or possibly being a lichen.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the visual aspect of large fungi, questioning the reality of such finds.
  • A participant mentions a fossil Lycopsid at a museum, comparing it to "Prototaxites" and suggesting a visit to see it.
  • Discussion includes the presence of well-preserved "Prototaxites" in the Welsh borderland, indicating significant fossil finds in that region.
  • One participant inquires about the possibility of purchasing specimens, while another suggests donating to museums as a means to connect with collectors.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for exchanging specimens rather than selling them, particularly for specific types of fossil material.
  • A mention of a shop in Germany that sells "Prototaxites" fossils, indicating availability for interested collectors.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature and significance of "Prototaxites," with no clear consensus on its classification or the best practices for acquiring specimens. The discussion remains open-ended with various perspectives presented.

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Participants reference historical interpretations and personal experiences with fossil finds, but there are no definitive conclusions or resolutions regarding the classification of "Prototaxites" or the best methods for obtaining specimens.

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This discussion may be of interest to fossil enthusiasts, paleontology students, and collectors looking for insights into "Prototaxites" and fossil acquisition practices.

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I show some finds of fossil Devonian fungus "Prototaxites"
Happy new year everybody!
Last year I learned about a fascinating enigmatic fossil from the Silurian and Devonian, maybe even Ordovicium, which bears the name "Prototaxites".
The name was given to it already in the 19th century as it resembles logs of petrified wood up to 8m tall.
It is quite fascinating that, at a time where land plants where at best lousy little shubs, mushrooms as high as trees dominated the landscape.
For the next 100 years or so it was considered to be an algae like kelp, although there were plenty of observations that it was probably living on land. Latest since 2000, it became consensus that it has fungal affinity, or was maybe a lichen.
See the Wikipedia article.

It turns out that it is not even particularly rare. I collected some on a field near the former German capital Bonn, some are shown here:
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Characteristic surface structures are clearly visible, as well as a characteristic zonation, similar to the annual rings seen in wood.
In one piece cut through, a burrow, probably from an arthropod, is clearly visible.
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The material is silicified, and sometimes quite well preserved so that even microscopic details become visible in thin sections:
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One recognizes the hyphae and brown "cortical" spots, which may be related to nests of an algal symbiont if the lichen hypothesis is true.
Between crossed polars, it even looks artistic.
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It turns out that it is not only widespread in Europe, but also in the new world. The first description is from Gaspé, Kanada, but a famous sample, the so called Schunnemunk tree is from Monroe, New York. So maybe someone in this forum also has some pieces?
 
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DrDu said:
TL;DR Summary: I show some finds of fossil Devonian fungus "Prototaxites"

mushrooms as high as trees dominated the landscape
Well that would be something to see!
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Well that would be something to see!
... mushrooms as high as trees ...
How could you know you were not hallucinating?
 
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Nice tree, indeed. Many important finds of the Silurian and Devonian, including equisitely preserved coalified Prototaxites were found in the Welsh borderland, which is not far from Manchester. Not in vain have the epocs of the Silurian been named LLandovery, Wenlock and Ludlow. I would love to go on excursion there.
 
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Hey I know this is probably a bit of a stretch and I totally get it if the answer is a definitive no, but are you potentially open to making any of these available for sale? I've been looking around a lot and I haven't been able to really find much else.
 
Welcome to PF.

Become a minor philanthropist. Museums do talk to each other. I think if you are prepared to donate a sample to an educational natural history museum, you could find the name of a collector through the museums that already have samples on display.

Survey all the papers on the subject, identify the authors, the organisations they work with, and the sources of their specimens.

Fossil hunters often need funding, so buying a sample for donation to your museum, should make the contact you need to buy other samples. If the item is wanted by the market, it should be possible to buy samples directly from the fossil hunters, on internet auction sites. Stimulate that industry.
 
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Hm, I still have some material, but I would rather prefer to exchange it than to sell it. Best against nematophytes from other sites, but also petrified fungal material.
 
In case there is still anybody interested in this kind of Prototaxites fossils. There is a renowned shop in Germany, Krantz , who sell nice comparable material from this site and another one and also ship worldwide. However, you explicitly have to ask for Prototaxites.
 
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