Some general questions about grad school admission

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The discussion revolves around various questions related to graduate school admissions, focusing on factors such as academic performance, extracurricular activities, and recommendation letters. Participants explore the implications of double majoring, research experience, and involvement in academic organizations, as well as personal experiences related to specific institutions like McGill University.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the duration of undergraduate studies is not a critical factor if the time is spent productively, such as through internships.
  • There is a debate about whether research in a different major can positively impact admission chances, with some arguing it depends on the relevance of the research to the desired program.
  • Opinions vary on the value of tutoring experience for graduate applications, with some asserting it is beneficial for skill development and others downplaying its significance.
  • Participants discuss the importance of choosing professors for recommendation letters, emphasizing the need for those who can provide a strong personal evaluation based on direct experience.
  • Concerns are raised about how poor performance in one major might affect admission into a master's program in another major, with some noting that overall GPA is a significant factor.
  • There is a discussion about the value of membership in academic organizations, with mixed opinions on their impact on resumes and hiring potential.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the necessity of joining honor societies, while others highlight potential networking benefits.
  • Personal anecdotes are shared regarding experiences with specific organizations and their relevance to academic and professional opportunities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several points, including the relevance of tutoring and organizational memberships to graduate school applications, as well as the impact of GPA and research experience on admissions. Multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the admissions process, the significance of extracurricular activities, and the relevance of different types of research experience. There are also differing opinions on the weight of GPA and personal relationships with professors in the recommendation process.

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1. Do grad schools consider 5.5 years too long to finish undergrad (considering I am doing a double major and a long term internship)?

2. Will research in a different major contribute to my chances of being accepted into a program in the other major?

3. Does volunteering as a tutor look good on a resume or am I better off investing my time on other things?

4. How to chose which professors to write a recommendation letter?

5. If I do poorly in one major, will that affect my admission into a masters program in the other major?

6. Anyone go to McGill University? :redface:
 
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Time spent is irrelevant. What matters is how good you are. volunteering as a tutor has little relevance to that. Graduate research stipends are not good citizenship awards. Choose a professor who says he thinks you should go to grad school and preferably that you belong at the school he is writing for.

I have not been to McGill but everyone knows it is excellent.
 
1. Generally no. And if you've been doing something productive with that "extra" time (such as your internship) it looks all the better.

2. Depends. Working on a biomedical engineering project will be helpful if your goal is to get into medical physics. A social science research project will be less helpful, but it certainly won't count in a negative manner.

3. Depends on the resume is for, but generally teaching experience is a positive in academia. It's also worth thinking in terms of skill development rather than simple resume building. Tutoring helps to reinforce the basics and helps to foster communication skills. Learning the ropes early can help you later on when you have a position as a TA. It is certainly better (with respect to academia) than volunteering for something like your school's "safe walk" organization. As far a grad school application goes, it's not going to turn a 3.0 into a 3.5 GPA.

4. Go for those who are in the best position to evaluate you as a potential graduate student. A good portion of the recommendation will essentially describe your relationship. So you want to aim for professors you've worked for doing research, or completed a thesis project under, or worked closely with to one extent or another such as in a reading course, or maybe had a summer job working for. It's okay to have one or two who have only taught you classes, but ideally you want at least one who has seen you work beyond the lecture hall.

5. Overall GPA is a significant factor in admissions. How significant depends on the specific school.

6. I took an exam there once.
 
1. Great, gives me an excuse to stick around for that extra semester. I screwed around during my first 2 years mostly studying Japanese and getting a French minor, so I wasted a lot of time - but I don't want to rush to graduate.

2. The majors are CS and physics. I am getting into distributed/cloud computing research for the former and want to do astrophysics research for the latter.

3. I was thinking of asking my professor if I can make myself available as a tutor for his summer programming class. It's a big commitment since I'll be working full time, but if it it weren't for him, I wouldn't have the internship in the first place. I already have experience in tutoring that class.

4. The professor in number 3 would be a good choice for a recommendation letter, so tutoring his class would reinforce our relationship.

5. My GPA in physics is not too good :cry: A, A-, B, A, A-, B-, A, and most likely another B- for quantum.

6. I want to get into McGill for no other reason than I love Quebec and want to live there. :smile:
 
Instead of starting a new thread, I'll just ask this here: what is the value of becoming a member of organisations like Phi Beta Kappa, Sigma Pi Sigma, Society of Physics students, ACM... can I put those things in my resume?
 
Membership with a particular organization usually doesn't mean too much as far as adding to your hiring potential, unless it's a professional college.

I've never really understood the point of academic honours societies. To me it's always sounded like a group of people who simply met a set of somewhat arbitrary, albeit difficult to obtain, membership requirements.

Groups like your undergraduate physics society on the other hand can provide invaluable networking opportunities. Being a member doesn't get you much. It's what you do with the membership that matters. In some places the group can lead you to volunteer opportunities that you may not have otherwise heard of. Or it can simply provide a venue for meeting like-minded people, or talking with more senior students who can give you the low down on next year's classes. It can also involve you with faculty activies such as an annual summer baseball game or the organization of weekly colloquia and these kinds of things can help you develop relationships with professors come time for reference letters.

And finally there are national bodies. I'm familiar with the medical physics ones such as the AAPM or COMP. These memberships allow students to attend conferences (which is pretty big itself), participate in young-investigator competitions (that is definitely something you want on your CV), and give you access to job boards and professional surveys. Some of them will also give you subscriptions to academic journals or review digests like Physics Today. Most of this is more important for graduate students than undergrad students, but may be worth if for some senior undergrads. In most cases you have to balance out the membership costs though. With multiple society memberships, the costs can add up.
 
Okay. I keep hearing that I should put those organizations on my resume but I think that's silly - I haven't accomplished anything just by becoming a member. So I'm debating whether to spend the money on them.

Anyways, I'm a little worried that I have very little chances of getting into a McGill master's program... I have a 3.6 < GPA < 3.7. I'll come back later and post a plan of what I hope to accomplish by the time I graduate, and I hope to get an idea of where I stand.

Université de Montréal is fine, too. I speak French about 85% as good as I speak English, but it will be hard to study things in French that I have only ever studied in English.
 
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I'd at least mention Phi Beta Kappa. It's a well-known national thing, and just might come in handy somewhere down the line if not right now.

The last time I was searching for a college-teaching job and ended up here, many years ago, I didn't mention it on my resume. It just didn't occur to me. After I got here, I started dating a faculty colleague from another department, who also happened to be in PBK. (We eventually got married, by the way.) While I was in her apartment, I browsed through a copy of the PBK magazine and mentioned that I was also PBK but somehow I had dropped off their mailing list. She got excited and said, "Oh, we have to tell ____ about this!"

It turned out that the college had started an effort to get a PBK chapter, and one of the requirements for admission was having a certain number of faculty members who were already in PBK. So my presence helped to boost our application. We never did get in, but it was for other reasons.

It obviously didn't affect my application for a job there because I never mentioned it and I got the job anyway, but I can imagine if the competition had been closer and I had mentioned it...
 
Okay, I'll think about joining PBK, but I always thought these things were silly (I declined to join Golden Key). They said I'll get an invitation letter in the mail soon.

Anyways, I know this is a weird question but bear with me. I only have 3 semesters left and I have to cram it all in, so knowing where I stand will give me some motivation. By the time I graduate I will at best have:

CS and Physics B.Sc., French minor
3.6 GPA, Magna cum laude
Two years of research experience on distributed systems at IBM
One year of research experience in astrophysics with a professor
One summer REU
Great recommendation letters (I was chosen to intern at IBM by my professors)

What are my chances of getting into McGill? I know they're very competitive and I am probably below average for them. U. de Montréal? They're less competitive but don't have anything related to computational physics.

Is it silly that I want to go to a college in Québec just because I want to live there? Is that a bad factor in determining where to go for grad school?

Thanks!
 

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