Some Radiological Dating with Stoichiometry

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The discussion revolves around a radiological dating problem involving potassium-40 and argon-40 in a rock sample. Participants explore the implications of decay processes and stoichiometry in determining the age of the rock based on the amounts of these isotopes present.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving the calculation of potassium-40 needed for a given amount of argon-40, expressing confusion about the relationship between the two isotopes and their respective masses.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that all argon-40 originates from the decay of potassium-40 and seeks to clarify how much potassium would have been present initially for the observed decay to occur.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of the decay process, specifically whether the initial amount of potassium-40 was pure and how it relates to the formation of argon-40 over time.
  • It is noted that potassium and argon are only a small part of the sample, suggesting that their masses do not need to sum to the total mass of the rock sample.
  • There is a mention of the assumption that the rock was melted and degassed, leading to the conclusion that the argon present is solely from potassium-40 decay.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the assumptions regarding the decay process and the initial conditions of the rock sample. No consensus is reached on the specifics of the decay assumptions or the initial quantities of potassium-40.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the initial conditions of the rock sample and the assumptions made regarding the decay process, which may affect the calculations and interpretations presented.

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It's kind of baffling me when I'm encountering this question in this sub-chapter. It's just unusual. So I really need your help :D

Homework Statement


If a rock sample was found to contain 1.16 × 10-7 mol of
argon-40, how much potassium-40 (t1/2 = 1.3 × 109 yr)
would also have to be present for the rock to be 1.3 × 109
years old? See assumption in Problem 14.84.

And the problem 14.84 question is ...

A 500 mg sample of rock was found to have 2.45 × 10-6
mol of potassium-40 (t1/2 = 1.3 × 109 yr) and 2.45 ×
10-6 mol of argon-40. How old was the rock? (Hint: What
assumption is made about the origin of the argon-
40?)


Homework Equations


k = In 2/t1/2

The Attempt at a Solution


I just find out that the both K and Ar in periodic table have a closely enough molecular mass, which is 40 g/mol (39,1 for K and 39,95 for Ar). But it just weird when the molecular mass is multiplied with each moles of Ar and K to find mass, because it doesn't add up for 500 mg. Also I don't have any idea what does the t1/2 works for. Of course we could find the rate constant from the equation before for it.
 
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What happens if you assume all the argon-40 originates from the potassium-40 beta minus decay? How much potassium had to be present in the rock for that much to decay?
 
daveb said:
What happens if you assume all the argon-40 originates from the potassium-40 beta minus decay? How much potassium had to be present in the rock for that much to decay?

Well, if I assume that, it is plausible because potassium-40 will lose 1 electron and becoming argon-40 with beta minus decay. But I still don't understand it, was the assumption says the rock originally a pure potassium-40 back then and becoming argon-40 in the whole time? Or is it in the first time the potassium-40 had 4.9x10-6 mole and in the meantime because of the beta minus decay it changed and split into two parts, the half of the potassium-40 with 2.45x10-6 mole and the other half with the same mole but the argon-40? My apologize if I don't get the idea.
 
Potassium and argon are only a small part of the sample, so their masses don't have to add to 500 mg.

Or is it in the first time the potassium-40 had 4.9x10-6 mole and in the meantime because of the beta minus decay it changed and split into two parts, the half of the potassium-40 with 2.45x10-6 mole and the other half with the same mole but the argon-40?

That's what would happen exactly after half time. We assume rock was melted before and degassed, so all argon it contains now comes from the potassium-40 decay. And total number of atoms of both elements is constant.
 
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Borek said:
Potassium and argon are only a small part of the sample, so their masses don't have to add to 500 mg.

Or is it in the first time the potassium-40 had 4.9x10-6 mole and in the meantime because of the beta minus decay it changed and split into two parts, the half of the potassium-40 with 2.45x10-6 mole and the other half with the same mole but the argon-40?

That's what would happen exactly after half time. We assume rock was melted before and degassed, so all argon it contains now comes from the potassium-40 decay. And total number of atoms of both elements is constant.

I hadn't considered that. That was really helpful, thanks a lot :D
 
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