Something like category theory but for physics

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The discussion revolves around the search for a unifying framework in physics, akin to how category theory unifies various branches of mathematics. Participants explore whether such a framework exists and what resources might be available for learning about it, with a focus on classical field theory and probability theories as potential candidates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that R. Geroch's book uses category theory to unify mathematics and questions if a similar framework exists for physics.
  • Another participant suggests classical field theory as a general framework that encompasses classical mechanics, electromagnetism, and thermodynamics.
  • A request for recommendations on books that present physics in a unified way is made multiple times.
  • One participant proposes that the most general framework might be viewing all theories of physics as probability theories, but acknowledges the complexity of the topic and the lack of accessible resources.
  • Another participant reiterates the need for a book that identifies mathematical structures associated with physical theories and classifies them, expressing interest in the potential for research in this area.
  • A mention is made that non-commutative von Neumann algebras can lead to classical theories, suggesting a connection between classical and quantum frameworks.
  • Links to specific books are provided as potential resources for further exploration.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the existence and nature of a unifying framework in physics, with no consensus reached on a single approach or resource. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing ideas presented.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topics discussed, including the mathematical structures involved and the level of understanding required to engage with the material. There is also a recognition of the limitations in available literature on the subject.

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I was impressed how in R. Geroch's book, Mathematical Physics, category theory is used to unify so many different branches of mathematics. Is there a single framework that, in a similar way, unifies many or all branches of physics? If so, what are some good resources for learning it?

So far, the closest I have seen is perhaps the mathematics of linearity, of multi-linear maps and objects on which such maps act. Is there something better? It would be great to be able to see each area of physics as instantiating some one thing.
 
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Classical field theory is one very general framework: classical mechanics, E&M, and thermodynamics can all be treated this way.
 
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Is there a good book that presents it in this way?
 
I think the most general framework is the one that views all theories of physics (including the classical ones) as probability theories. This topic is unfortunately extremely difficult. I don't think there's a good book on the topic, at least not at a level that can be understood by someone below the level of a graduate student in mathematics.

I only understand bits and pieces of it. I think I understand enough to say that a really good book on this topic should identify mathematical structures (lattices, algebras) that can be associated with every set of statements that can be considered a "theory of physics", and then classify theories by additional conditions satisfied by these structures. Then the book should describe the most interesting classes of theories. There is however no such book. The closest thing I can think of is the article "Quantum probability theory" by Redei and Summers, which contains a classification of (generalized) probability theories defined by von Neumann algebras.

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0601158
 
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Fredrik said:
I only understand bits and pieces of it. I think I understand enough to say that a really good book on this topic should identify mathematical structures (lattices, algebras) that can be associated with every set of statements that can be considered a "theory of physics", and then classify theories by additional conditions satisfied by these structures. Then the book should describe the most interesting classes of theories.

That's exactly the sort of thing I had in mind with my question! If there are no books on the subject, and if the only paper is about the quantum aspects, perhaps this would be a good research topic?
 
The paper mentions that non-commutative von Neumann algebras lead to classical theories, so the classical theories are included in the framework defined by the paper. Unfortunately I don't understand this well enough to explain the details.
 
Thanks for the information, I appreciate it!
 

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