Sound in space and the end of the universe

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This discussion explores the nature of sound in space and theories regarding the end of the universe. Participants engage with questions about sound transmission in a vacuum and the implications of cosmic expansion and potential end scenarios for the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether an astronaut in space without a space suit would hear music from an iPod, suggesting that sound requires a medium to travel, while another proposes that some sound might be transmitted through skin conduction.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of the universe having already ended without light reaching Earth, with one participant suggesting that current theories indicate the universe is expanding and unlikely to have already ended.
  • Another participant mentions that the "big crunch" theory has largely fallen out of favor, emphasizing the universe's ongoing expansion.
  • Concerns are raised about the future state of the universe, with references to scenarios like the "big rip" and the potential for the universe to consist mainly of hydrogen and helium atoms, which some participants challenge as being discredited theories.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how redshift is measured and whether it indicates that light from distant celestial objects is actually emitted differently or stretched, prompting further discussion on the nature of redshift and its correlation with distance.
  • One participant suggests that sound could be transmitted through bones depending on the headphones used, while another expresses the belief that the universe is expected to expand indefinitely.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between redshift and distance, with one participant noting that the correlation is too precise to be coincidental.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of sound in space and the future of the universe, with no consensus reached on the validity of certain end scenarios or the implications of redshift measurements.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of sound transmission and the current understanding of cosmological theories, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved.

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Hello

I am trying to get into physics and astronomy as a hobby so please excuse the crudity of my posts, I regrettably have no physics education past high school level but nevertheless I aim to slowly but surely learn either self-taught or through some further eduction whether at college or university level.

I have a few questions I'd like to ask of those much more learned than I:

Say an astronaut is in space without a space suit. The astronaut starts a song on his iPod and puts his earphones in; will he hear anything? I assume there would still need to be air (or another medium for the sound to travel) between the earphone and the astronaut's ear/eardrum?

Secondly, is it reasonable to assume that, given the magnitude of the universe, it could have already come to an end just, the light hasn't yet traveled to the Earth? I know that currently it is thought that the universe will end in some sort of big regression so therefore it's probably unlikely to already have happened (in this manner), or is it?

Thanks!
 
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GreatScot said:
Say an astronaut is in space without a space suit. The astronaut starts a song on his iPod and puts his earphones in; will he hear anything? I assume there would still need to be air (or another medium for the sound to travel) between the earphone and the astronaut's ear/eardrum?

Good question. There might be enough conduction by the skin to allow some sound to be heard. Probably depends on how far into the ear the buds get. Of course, in any case, the astronaut isn't going to care since he'll be busy suffocating to death.

Secondly, is it reasonable to assume that, given the magnitude of the universe, it could have already come to an end just, the light hasn't yet traveled to the Earth? I know that currently it is thought that the universe will end in some sort of big regression so therefore it's probably unlikely to already have happened (in this manner), or is it?

This is so far off base that I can only suggest that you pursue your studies some more. The universe might or might not be infinite in size but even if it is finite and unbounded, the consensus is that is is enormously larger than the observable universe. "Big crunch" theories pretty much went out long ago. The universe is expanding and is expected to continue to do so.
 
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phinds said:
This is so far off base that I can only suggest that you pursue your studies some more. The universe might or might not be infinite in size but even if it is finite and unbounded, the consensus is that is is enormously larger than the observable universe. "Big crunch" theories pretty much went out long ago. The universe is expanding and is expected to continue to do so.

Thanks for replying, I appreciate it! I do recall reading about the expansion apparently going on forever to the point where no other galaxies will be visible to observers on Earth, but is it not true that it's thought that at some point further in the future the universe will consist of nothing more than helium and hydrogen atoms? Perhaps I am not remembering something correctly.
 
GreatScot said:
... is it not true that it's thought that at some point further in the future the universe will consist of nothing more than helium and hydrogen atoms? Perhaps I am not remembering something correctly.

That is the "big rip" scenario and has been pretty much discredited.

It is even possible that galaxies within local clusters will not be disturbed by the expansion, and certainly galaxies themselves are not likely to be disturbed.
 
Ah I see, thank you. I will certainly give those links a look. So it is currently held that the universe will continue to expand forever with no real "end"?

On the topic of expansion, IIRC it was originally demonstrated through spectroscopy by Edwin Hubble showing the fact that light from celestial objects were red shifted. This is probably quite an easy question to answer but, how is it we know the light has been red shifted? How do we know that the light isn't emitted in the way we observe it and wasn't streched?

Perhaps I don't quite understand red shifted light. What I mean to say is, if we observe a blue star, are we to expect it to look to the naked eye more red if it's moving away from us when we observe it? Or, are these observations made over a finite period of time? So take a spectrum on day x, wait until day y and do another and if the object appears more red/spectrum has more red light, we can assume it's moving away from us?
 
Depending on the headphones, there could be significant sound transmitted through the bones in the head.

I think that the general consensus, or at least the majority opinion, is that the universe will not end. It is expanding and accelerating in its expansion, so there's no reason to not expect it to expand forever.

If the universe does come to a sudden end, then I suppose the end would happen everywhere in the universe, separated by spacelike intervals, so it wouldn't be possible to see the end of the universe in your past light cone no matter where you are.
 
GreatScot said:
On the topic of expansion, IIRC it was originally demonstrated through spectroscopy by Edwin Hubble showing the fact that light from celestial objects were red shifted. This is probably quite an easy question to answer but, how is it we know the light has been red shifted?

The redshift correlates pretty much exactly to the distance away from us. It would be an impossible coincidence if all the stars one distance from us emitted light one color of red and those twice that far away all emitted light of a different (but the same as each other) color of red.
 

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