Space.com says intergalactic hydrogen gas absorbs all optical light

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The discussion revolves around the claim that intergalactic hydrogen gas absorbs all optical light, as mentioned in a Space.com article regarding the oldest object found. Participants explore the implications of this statement in the context of cosmic observations, particularly focusing on gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) and the effects of redshift and absorption in the early universe.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the claim that all optical light is absorbed by intergalactic hydrogen, suggesting that the expansion of space might be a more plausible explanation.
  • Another participant points out that since we can see stars, it seems incorrect to assert that all optical light has been absorbed, and questions whether the caption refers to foreground Milky Way stars rather than distant GRBs.
  • A reference from the Gemini Observatory indicates that visible light from a GRB was absorbed by hydrogen gas in the early universe, while infrared light was detected.
  • Discussion includes the Gunn-Peterson effect, which describes how neutral hydrogen in the early universe would absorb light, leading to observable features in the spectra of distant quasars and galaxies.
  • One participant speculates that the visible light we see now would have originally been extreme UV light, which would have been absorbed by neutral hydrogen, resulting in infrared light reaching Earth.
  • Another participant clarifies that neutral hydrogen is not a significant absorber of visible light, noting its strong absorption of extreme UV light instead.
  • Further elaboration on the Lyman-alpha transition explains how radiation more intense than this threshold can lead to significant absorption by hydrogen, affecting the observed light spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which intergalactic hydrogen absorbs optical light, with some supporting the idea that significant absorption occurs while others challenge this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and theories, including the Gunn-Peterson effect and the Lyman-alpha transition, but there are unresolved assumptions about the conditions in the early universe and the specific wavelengths of light affected by hydrogen absorption.

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What? Is there any truth to this? The caption on a space.com photo of the oldest object ever found says, "… since all the optical light has been absorbed by intergalactic hydrogen gas, leaving only infrared light." I'm thinking the expansion of space is a more likely explanation.

http://bit.ly/2smLUp - photo with caption

I found it in this article.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091028-most-distant-grb.html
 
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Considering we 'see' stars, it doesn't seem correct that all optical light has been absorbed.

Is the photo caption referring to Milky Way stars in the foreground, as opposed to GRB which is far away?

I wonder how the EM signature of GRB 090423 compares with others, and how much of the 'color' is due to redshift vs scatter or absorption.
 
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From the Gemini Observatory website

http://www.gemini.edu/furthestgrb
“Our infrared observations from Gemini immediately suggested that this was an unusually distant burst, these images were the smoking gun." said Edo Berger, a leader in the scientific team that made the discovery and professor at Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. "The visible light was completely absorbed by hydrogen gas in the early universe, but the GRB was brightly glowing in the infrared images from Gemini."
 
The theory is that at present most of the intergalactic medium is ionized hydrogen, which let's most of the light through, but for a period in the early history of the universe, there would have been more neutral hydrogen gas around, which would absorb light. This is called the "Gunn-Peterson effect", and shows up as a "trough" feature in the spectra of the most distant quasars and galaxies.

For a summary, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn-Peterson_trough" in Wikipedia.
 
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Wow, you guys are great. That wikipedia page says it starts at about z=6. Ned Wright's calculator says that's about 12.7 billion years ago. So that GRB is well within that. Thanks.
 
What I *think* they meant is that anything that we'd be seeing on Earth now as visible light now, would have been extreme UV when it was produced and the neutral hydrogen would have absorbed all of that. Any light that the original object produced would end up as infrared by the time it gets to earth.
 
Also neutral hydrogen isn't a huge absorber of visible light. If you shine light through a hydrogen balloon most of it makes it through. It is a major absorber of extreme UV since if you have neutral hydrogen and shine extreme UV in it, it will knock off the electrons and ionize the hydrogen.

At z=8.2, anything that ends up as light on Earth is going to start out as UV.
 
That seems to be what happened...

http://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3/9219.gcn3

Lyman alpha is the amount of energy that it takes to take a hydrogen atom from the ground state to the next higher state. Once you start exposing hydrogen atoms to radiation that's more intense than Lyman-alpha, you start breaking up the atom and so the amount of radiation that the hydrogen let's through drops dramatically. For radiation that less intense than Lyman-alpha, all you end up doing is jiggling the atom so the hydrogen really doesn't block that much radiation.

So we know what frequency you get this drop-off. If you see the drop-off in infrared, you then get a redshift. Get the redshift, you get a distance.
 

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