Space-time fabric distortion measuring

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The discussion centers around the measurement of space-time distortion caused by gravitational waves, exploring how these distortions can be quantified and their implications on atomic forces. Participants examine theoretical scenarios, measurement techniques, and the effects of gravitational waves on physical objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how space-time distortion from gravitational waves can be measured, noting the ambiguity in the concept of stretching and squeezing space.
  • Another participant suggests that measuring the distance between freely floating points during a gravitational wave event reveals variations in distance without acceleration, which could theoretically cause issues if the points are connected by a rigid object.
  • A different participant proposes two methods for measuring the effects of gravitational waves: using a vibrating meterstick or measuring the distance between mirrors with a laser beam.
  • One participant describes the current method of detecting gravitational waves through laser interferometry, specifically referencing the LIGO detector and its functioning based on interference patterns.
  • Another participant mentions the planned deployment of LISA, a more sophisticated instrument for detecting gravitational waves, indicating ongoing advancements in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the measurement techniques and implications of gravitational waves, with no consensus reached on the specific effects on atomic forces or the best methods for measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of measuring space-time distortion and the potential challenges posed by internal forces in rigid objects during gravitational wave events. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the interaction between gravitational waves and atomic forces.

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Hi, I have a question about a fact that I did't understand, and all the world takes this as it is: How can the space-time distortion, generated by gravitational waves, can be measured? All scientist say that the space is stretched and squeezed, but how much means that, because 1 meter stretched is equal with 1 meter squeezed. I saw a documentary on youtube that said if a collision between 2 neutron stars near Earth (theoretically), will generate gravitational waves that will destroy the Earth. How? at atomic level, breaking the bond between atoms..., this means that the strong and weak nuclear forces or electromagnetic forces are independent from space-time fabric?
Thanks.
 
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All scientist say that the space is stretched and squeezed, but how much means that, because 1 meter stretched is equal with 1 meter squeezed.
But a meterstick stretched may be 1.20 m, and have a problem.
For gravitational waves: if you measure the distance between two freely floating points as a GW goes through, you'll find the distance to be 1.20 m in one millisecond, 80 cm in the next, and so on. That's not a problem, as this distance variation comes without acceleration and thus without any forces. It's the "natural state" of the two points.
It becomes a problem, though, if the points are connected by something rigid, like a steel bar. Steel bars don't want to be 1.20 m long in one ms, and 80 cm in the next. Internal forces will try to keep it at a constant length, accelerating the individual parts away from their "natural" position. These forces could break it. (Theoretically, with very weak steel and very fat neutron stars)
 
But how can you measure the meterstick when the gravity wave passes it.
So you say that the space-time distortion does affect the atomic forces. This could make sense and can explain the stress at atomic level.
At least that I understand.
Thanks.
 
But how can you measure the meterstick when the gravity wave passes it.
There are two possibilities:
1) you take a "meterstick" and listen to its vibrations. If a gravitational wave passes through it, the internal forces will make it start ringing. You can measure that, in principle,
2) You take those freely floating points (mirrors) and measure their distance with a laser beam.
In both cases, what's important is that bound (coherent) objects don't simply follow the changing distances, but instead at least try to stay as they are.
 
Currently, the method to try to detect gravity waves involve laser interferometry. The largest gravity wave detector, LIGO is basically a GIANT laser interferometry lab.

The lasers are several kilometers long and situated perpendicular to each other. They are made to interfere with each other at some point and you get an interference pattern. If a gravity wave passes by, it shrinks or expands (the wavelength of) ONE of the lasers a tiny bit (nano meter scale), and it doesn't affect the other laser. This changes the interference pattern, and that's how you see the gravity wave.
 
LIGO is the short answer, as matterwave noted. By 2020 an even more sophisticated instrument is planned to be deployed. It is called LISA.
 

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