Spacetime explanation to describe non-gravitational forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of using distortions in spacetime to describe fundamental forces other than gravity, specifically the electromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak force. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and models related to this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of using spacetime distortions to explain non-gravitational forces, noting that different charges lead to different trajectories that cannot be accounted for by straight trajectories in curved spacetime.
  • Others suggest that while no current theory exists to describe all forces as disturbances in a multi-dimensional manifold, there is no principle preventing such a theory from being developed, potentially requiring more than four dimensions.
  • A participant mentions string theory as an attempt to explain forces through geometry, specifically in higher-dimensional spaces, although they acknowledge a lack of understanding of the details.
  • Another participant references Kaluza-Klein theory, which sought to incorporate electromagnetism into the framework of four-dimensional relativity by introducing a fifth dimension, and notes that various string theories extend this concept further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential for spacetime distortions to describe non-gravitational forces, with some asserting limitations and others proposing theoretical possibilities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the viability of such theories.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the current understanding of how to incorporate non-gravitational forces into a spacetime framework, and the discussion highlights the need for more dimensions or alternative theories, which are not yet fully developed or falsifiable.

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Why can't distortions in spacetime be used to describe the fundamental forces other than gravity, i.e. the electromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak force?
 
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gulfcoastfella said:
Why can't distortions in spacetime be used to describe the fundamental forces other than gravity, i.e. the electromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak force?
Objects with different charge follow different trajectories. You cannot explain that with straight trajectories in curved space time.
 
gulfcoastfella said:
Why can't distortions in spacetime be used to describe the fundamental forces other than gravity, i.e. the electromagnetic force, the strong nuclear force, and the weak force?
It's not so much that they "can't" as that nobody has ever invented a theory in which they do. There is no reason in principle why there could not be a theory in which all forces are explained as disturbances in some multi-dimensional manifold. For the disturbances to explain additional forces, I expect the manifold would need more than four dimensions.

But nobody has yet invented a falsifiable theory of that type.
 
I think string theory tries to explain forces with geometry. Not with 4D space-time, but with 10+D space with 6D compactified Calabi Yau space. Don't ask me what all this means though.
 
The Kaluza-Klein theory attempted to include ElectroMagnetism into the 4D space of Relativity by adding a 5th dimension. The various string theories attempt to extend this idea further.
 

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