How do micro black holes maintain their state?

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The discussion centers around the existence and maintenance of micro black holes, particularly those theorized to have formed in the early universe. Participants explore the conditions necessary for their formation and the implications of their properties, including their mass and density, as well as their relationship with Hawking radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that traditional explanations of black holes depend on mass, which raises questions about how micro black holes could exist without sufficient mass.
  • Others propose that any mass or energy compressed to its Schwarzschild radius results in a black hole, suggesting that primordial micro black holes could have formed during the universe's early expansion when conditions were extreme.
  • It is noted that black holes emit Hawking radiation, leading to the idea that micro black holes would have very short lifespans proportional to their mass.
  • One participant emphasizes that black holes are dependent on density rather than mass, asserting that gravitational collapse could occur under the right conditions in the early universe.
  • Another point raised is that modern measurements of gamma ray backgrounds indicate that primordial micro black holes may not be as abundant as previously thought.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for the formation of micro black holes and their properties, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the early universe's density and temperature, as well as the implications of Hawking radiation on the lifespan of black holes. There are unresolved questions regarding the abundance of primordial micro black holes based on current measurements.

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All that I've read about black holes describe something so massive it's gravity overcomes all other forces and it causes a region of spacetime to develop that no particle or electromagnetic radiation can escape from.

That explanation since it depends on mass makes no sense in regard to theorized micro black holes created at the dawn of creation.

I've never read anything explaining how they were created without the mass required to generate the gravity to create and maintain it.

So what is the explanation for how they can exist or could have existed without starting out first with sufficient mass?
 
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If you compress any mass/energy to it's Scwartzchild radius you get a black hole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius.

Primordial, micro black holes might have formed during the time of extreme density during the universe's early expansion.

Black holes emit Hawking radiation. Eventually a black hole can disappear via Hawking radiation. The life-span of a black hole is proportional to its mass.. Micro black holes would have very, very short lifespands.
 
johnnymorales said:
All that I've read about black holes describe something so massive it's gravity overcomes all other forces and it causes a region of spacetime to develop that no particle or electromagnetic radiation can escape from.

That explanation since it depends on mass makes no sense in regard to theorized micro black holes created at the dawn of creation.

I've never read anything explaining how they were created without the mass required to generate the gravity to create and maintain it.

So what is the explanation for how they can exist or could have existed without starting out first with sufficient mass?
Black holes are not dependent upon mass, but rather density. As cyclopia mentioned above, if you are able to collapse matter, in any amount, down to its Scwartzchild radius, you will obtain a black hole. Primordial black holes could only have formed when the temperature and pressure was sufficient enough to cause gravitational collapse. Which puts it no later than the Hadron Epoch (from 0.000001 seconds to 1 second after the Big Bang).
 
The density of the very early universe was quite high. Primordial black holes were hypothesized to form under such conditions. Modern gamma ray background measurement suggest primordial micro black holes are not as abundant as originally thought.
 

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