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Video of successful launch shows details of strongback, fueling process,
liometopum said:The squeak and pop are further support, to me, that the whole thing started on the surface of the rocket. I don't think that the squeak and pop could have come from inside the rocket.
Haven't viewed the video? It's only 9 minutes. The authors of the video suggest the fuel source as leaked kerosene or pipe insulation, seals, gaskets, or even the metal itself, potentially saturated or caked in recondensed LOX. In a previous video it is discussed how strongback kerosene pipes may at times flow in the reverse direction.Jonathan Scott said:I haven't viewed the entire video, but what is the suggested fuel source?
I'd like to hear something definitive about the locations of the LOX and RP-1 pipes in the strongback. Does anyone have any official information?Dotini said:Haven't viewed the video? It's only 9 minutes. The authors of the video suggest the fuel source as leaked kerosene or pipe insulation, seals, gaskets, or even the metal itself, potentially saturated or caked in recondensed LOX. In a previous video it is discussed how strongback kerosene pipes may at times flow in the reverse direction.
At this stage of the investigation, preliminary review of the data and debris suggests that a large breach in the cryogenic helium system of the second stage liquid oxygen tank took place. All plausible causes are being tracked in an extensive fault tree and carefully investigated. Through the fault tree and data review process, we have exonerated any connection with last year’s CRS-7 mishap.
The timeline of the event is extremely short – from first signs of an anomaly to loss of data is about 93 milliseconds or less than 1/10th of a second. The majority of debris from the incident has been recovered, photographed, labeled and catalogued, and is now in a hangar for inspection and use during the investigation.
At this stage of the investigation, preliminary review of the data and debris suggests that a large breach in the cryogenic helium system of the second stage liquid oxygen tank took place. All plausible causes are being tracked in an extensive fault tree and carefully investigated. Through the fault tree and data review process, we have exonerated any connection with last year’s CRS-7 mishap.
I believe SpaceX now make their own COPVs.jim hardy said:Who made that COPV tank ?
Conclusions
Welding procedures for Ti-6211 were established using the pulsed GMAW process and sound quality welds were produced. Hot ductility tests made with the Gleeble did not show any anomalous behavior and did not indicate a susceptibility to hot cracking. Detailed examination of the heat-affected zone using synthetic specimen techniques revealed that some problems may be anticipated. Poor impact strengths, lower than those of the weld fusion zone are developed in the areas of the heat-affected zone immediately adjacent to the fusion zone; specifically those regions which reach temperatures above 1800 F. The structure developed in these regions in equilibrium a-platelets with a' martensite within coarse former beta grains produced as a result of rapid cooling from a temperature at which it is fully beta.
The SpaceX COPVs are made of aluminium (or aluminum, depending on your local preference), which is commonly used for COPVs but not usually for ones which are immersed in LOX.jim hardy said:i don't know if that's even the same alloy they used for their tank
Low-Temperature Properties. Aluminum alloys represent a very important class of structural metals for subzero-temperature applications and are used for structural parts for operation at temperatures as low as -270oC.
Below zero, most aluminum alloys show little change in properties; yield and tensile strengths may increase; elongation may decrease slightly; impact strength remains approximately constant. Consequently, aluminum is useful material for many low-temperature applications.
The chief deterrent is its relatively low elongation compared with certain austenitic ferrous alloys. This inhibiting factor affects principally industries that must work with public safety codes. A notable exception to this has been the approval, in the ASME unfired pressure vessel code, to use alloys 5083 and 5456 for pressure vessels within the range from -195 to 65oC. With these alloys tensile strength increases 30 to 40%, yield strength 5 to 10% and elongation 60 to 100% between room temperature and -195oC.
The wrought alloys most often considered for low-temperature service are alloys 1100, 2014, 2024, 2219, 3003, 5083, 5456, 6061, 7005, 7039 and 7075. Alloy 5083-O which is the most widely used aluminum alloy for cryogenic applications, exhibits the following cooled from room temperature to the boiling point of nitrogen (-195oC):
Retention of toughness also is of major importance for equipment operating at low temperature. Aluminum alloys have no ductile-to-brittle transition; consequently; neither ASTM nor ASME specifications require low-temperature Charpy or Izod tests of aluminum alloys. Other tests, including notch-tensile and tear tests, assess the notch-tensile and tear toughness of aluminum alloys at low temperature characteristics of welds in the weldable aluminum alloys.
- About 40% in ultimate tensile strength
- About 10% in yield strength.
Compared with other alloys, alloy 5083-O has substantially greater fracture toughness than the others. The fracture toughness of this alloy increases as exposure temperature decreases. Of the other alloys, evaluated in various heat-treated conditions, 2219-T87 has the best combination of strength and fracture toughness, both at room temperature and at -196oC, of all the alloys that can be readily welded.
Alloy 6061-T651 has good fracture toughness at room temperature and at -196oC, but its yield strength is lower than that of alloy 2219-T87. Alloy 7039 also is weldable and has a good combination of strength and fracture toughness at room temperature and at -196oC. Alloy 2124 is similar to 2024 but with a higher-purity base and special processing for improved fracture toughness. Tensile properties of 2124-T851 at subzero temperatures can be expected to be similar to those for 2024-T851.
Several other aluminum alloys, including 2214, 2419, 7050 and 7475, have been developed in order to obtain room-temperature fracture toughness superior to that of the other 2000 and 7000 series alloys. Information on subzero properties of these alloys is limited, but it is expected that these alloys also would have improved fracture toughness at subzero temperatures as well as at room temperature.
Fatigue Strength. Results of axial and flexural fatigue tests at 106 cycles on aluminum alloy specimens at room temperature and at subzero temperatures indicate that, for a fatigue life of 106 cycles, fatigue strength is higher at subzero temperatures than at room temperature for each alloy. This trend is not necessarily valid for the tests at higher stress levels and shorter fatigue lives, but at 106 cycles results are consistent with the effect of subzero temperatures on tensile strength.
seconded.Jonathan Scott said:I've viewed their earlier stuff and I'm very sceptical.
Dotini said:Seedy conspiracy theories are tossed into the case by the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...b60514-874c-11e6-a3ef-f35afb41797f_story.html
At a conference in Mexico earlier this week, Musk said that finding out what went wrong is the company’s “absolute top priority,” but he said what caused the explosion is still unknown.
“We’ve eliminated all of the obvious possibilities for what occurred there,” he said. “So what remains are the less probable answers.”
I wasn't aware of any alien conspiracy - what has Mr Musk done to offend them? Remember, those are birds and bugs flying over the rocket. But Mr Musk has real rivals, critics and potentially enemies in a wide variety of industries, government agencies and companies right here on Earth. If in fact there was a conspiracy against the AMOS-6 mission, then not only Musk, but Zuckerberg and the state of Israel were also victims. And now they're your mortal enemies if you are the guy with the laser or rifle on top of the ULA building. For now, better to blame the shoddy, LOX-infused strongback pipe insulation and a stray spark, or some other one-in-million metal failure, despite the amusement value inherent in conspiracies.nsaspook said:I liked the UFO one better than the 'Grassy Knoll' gunman.

I'll admit they do have some plausibility, if their technical facts are correct. It appears (correct me if I'm wrong) that they are saying that during the LOX loading, the outsides of the insulated pipes could get cold enough for some of the venting cold oxygen to recondense to liquid and get absorbed into the insulation. Presumably this absorbed liquid would then decrease the effectiveness of the insulation and cause the outside to get even colder, amplifying the effect and eventually creating a significant amount of a known explosive mixture which could be set off very easily.Dotini said:More video and analysis from TechX.
SourceWe believe that the composite over wrapped pressure vessel [the helium bottle], known as a COPv, let go in the tank. What caused it, the exact reason it let go, we’re still investigating. I don’t believe it was a ground system cause, but we’re still looking at the data.
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The more than likely — the overwhelmingly likely — explanation is that we did something to that rocket. And we’re going to find it and we’re going to fix it.