Special Relativity - Proper Length

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The problem involves an astronomer observing a meteoroid approaching Earth at a relativistic speed of 0.800c, with a specific focus on calculating time intervals and distances from different reference frames. The subject area is special relativity, particularly concerning proper length and length contraction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to clarify the concept of proper length in the context of the problem, questioning whether the distance of 20 light years is the proper length due to the relative motion of the meteoroid and Earth. Some participants suggest a straightforward calculation of length contraction, while others inquire about the identity of the "tourist" mentioned in the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of proper length and length contraction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of length contraction, but no consensus has been reached on the definitions or implications of proper length in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic measurements and the implications of relative motion on perceived distances. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the definitions and measurements involved, indicating a need for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


An astronomer on Earth observes a meteoroid in the
southern sky approaching the Earth at a speed of 0.800c.
At the time of its discovery the meteoroid is 20.0ly from
the Earth. Calculate (a) the time interval required for the
meteoroid to reach the Earth as measured by the Earth-
bound astronomer, (b) this time interval as measured by a
tourist on the meteoroid, and (c) the distance to the Earth
as measured by the tourist.



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I just need help with how to figure out what is the proper length. I don't know if the 20 ly measured from astronomer on Earth is the proper length because it seems I could be on the meteoroid and calculate the same 20 ly and then that could be the proper length. But it seems that someone has to see some length contraction.

I know proper length is the length of something measured when at rest relative to that something. And here, the length we're measuring is the distance to the meteoroid, but that is changing constantly if the meteor is moving towards the Earth (or from the meteors perspective, if the Earth is moving towards the meteor). So how do we know what the proper length is?

Thanks ahead of time for the help.
 
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my guess would be that you're thinking a little bit too much. just find the percentage of length that something moving at .8c is, and then multiply that percentage by 20 light years.
 
and who is the tourist?
 
sorry about that. the tourist would be someone on the meteoroid.
 
so someone on the meteoroid sees Earth coming to them at .8c and we on Earth see the meteoroid coming to us at .8c. But for the tourist the distance to Earth I believe is 60% of what it would be if he was not moving at all.
 

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