Relativistic mass/length contraction problem

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The problem involves two spaceships, A and B, with different proper lengths and masses, observed from Earth while traveling at relativistic speeds. The original poster seeks to determine the relativistic lengths and mass of spaceship A as perceived by an Earth observer, given that both spaceships appear to have the same length from that perspective.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of length contraction and the need to determine the velocity of spaceship B based on the observation that both ships appear to have the same length. There is uncertainty about how to calculate this velocity and whether algebra could be a viable approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the proper lengths, observed lengths, and velocities of the spaceships. Some have clarified the proper lengths of the spaceships, while others are questioning the assumptions made about their velocities and the resulting implications for their relativistic masses.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the proper lengths of the spaceships, which has been corrected in the discussion. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the method to find the velocity of spaceship B, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



The proper length of spaceship A is 60.0m and the proper length of spaceship B is 120.0m. The proper mass of spaceship A is 15000 kg. An observer on Earth watches the two spaceships fly past at a constant speed and determines that they have the same length. If the speed of the slower ship is 0.70c, find:

a) The length of spaceship A, relative to an observer on earth

b) The length of spaceship B, relative to an observer on earth

c) The mass of spaceship A, relative to an observer on earth.


Homework Equations


Lm = Ls √(1- v2 / c2

mm = ms / √(1- v2 / c2

The Attempt at a Solution

Since both ships appear to have the same length to the observer on earth, ship A must be traveling faster than ship B as length contraction becomes more apparent with an increase in speed: In order for the two uneven length ships to appear the same, they must be moving at different speeds, and B must be the slower ship, therefore the velocity of B is 0.70c.
a) Lm = Ls √(1- v2 / c2

Lm = 60.0m √(1- 0.70c2 / c2

Lm = 60.0m √ (1- 0.49)

Lm = 42.85

Lm = 43m

The length of spaceship A, relative to an observer on Earth is 43m.

For a), I am unsure how to determine the velocity of ship B, other than trying multiple values until ship B's length matches that of ship A. I know there must be some way to determine the velocity of B, I just can't think of it. That value is also required to determine the relativistic mass of spaceship B, so any help on how to determine that value would be great.
 
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chef99 said:

Homework Statement



The proper length of spaceship A is 60.0m and the proper length of spaceship B is 60.0m.

Are the spaceships supposed to have the same length of ##60m##?
 
PeroK said:
Are the spaceships supposed to have the same length of ##60m##?
Opps. my mistake. I have fixed the problem now, as you can see B is, in fact, the longer ship at 120m, and ship A is 60m. So my first answer is really of A, and I need to determine the velocity of ship B, which must be faster than A, as ship B is longer. I can also determine the relativistic mass of ship A now, as I have its velocity. As for my answer posted above, everything is correct? Sorry about all that.
 
chef99 said:
For a), I am unsure how to determine the velocity of ship B, other than trying multiple values until ship B's length matches that of ship A. I know there must be some way to determine the velocity of B, I just can't think of it.

Algebra, perhaps?
 
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