Spectroscopy and the doppler effect

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The discussion revolves around the concept of redshift in spectroscopy, particularly in relation to the Doppler effect. Participants explore how to compare spectra of distant objects with laboratory standards to determine redshift, addressing questions about the nature of these spectra and the implications of an object's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how two different spectra can be obtained from an object that is constantly moving away, suggesting a lack of clarity in their understanding.
  • Another participant explains that redshift is determined by comparing the spectrum of a distant object with a spectrum from a local laboratory, emphasizing the use of recognizable spectral lines.
  • A further clarification indicates that the spectra compared are not both from the same object, but rather one is from the object and the other is a lab standard, specifically mentioning hydrogen lines for measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the method of comparing spectra from a distant object with laboratory standards, but the initial question regarding the nature of the spectra indicates some confusion that remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the initial participant's confusion regarding the concept of obtaining two spectra from a moving object, which may depend on definitions and assumptions about redshift and spectral analysis.

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So the prof shows us how to tell if an object is red shifted, by comparing two spectra (i assume of the same object). The emission lines had similar gaps but were shifted right, therefore moving away from us.

How can you obtain two different spectra of the same object if it's constantly moving away from us? Wouldn't it only produce one red shifted spectra?

My understanding isn't clear.
 
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Hi Subject:

The red-shift is based on comparing the spectrum of a distant object with a spectrum that could be measured in a local laboratory. The line(s) that one compares are those that are present in both spectra. It is not necessary to compare all lines. For example., a spectrum from a distant star will likely include lines from hydrogen atoms. The pattern (ratios of wavelengths) of lines are recognizable as being from hydrogen. Their wavelengths can then be compared with those corresponding to lines from local hydrogen.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Here is an example of what Buzz Bloom was talking about:

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They wouldn't be different spectra of the same object. One would be of the object and the other would be of a lab standard. You would then look at the lines of, say hydrogen, in both the object's spectra and the lab standard to measure the redshift. You can then calculate the Doppler shift and relative velocity.
 
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That explains a lot actually! Thanks
 

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