Speed at Takeoff and Average Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around an airplane's takeoff scenario, where it starts from rest and travels a distance of 1.8 km in 40 seconds. Participants are exploring how to calculate the speed at takeoff and the average acceleration during this period.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the calculation of speed and acceleration, questioning the validity of the original poster's approach and the assumptions made regarding average velocity versus speed at takeoff.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing guidance on the need to consider uniformly accelerated motion equations, while others are questioning the application of basic velocity formulas under conditions of acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the mechanics involved in the takeoff process.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the answer key, prompting further investigation into the assumptions and definitions used in the equations. Participants are also discussing the implications of using average versus instantaneous velocity in this context.

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Homework Statement


Starting from rest an airplane lifts off the ground after 40s and 1.8km. What is its speed at takeoff and its average acceleration during the takeoff run?

Homework Equations


V= distance/time
Acceleration= (Vf-Vi)/time

The Attempt at a Solution


The airplane travels 1.8km in 40 seconds. This would mean that when substituting into the formula V=d/t the velocity at takeoff is .045km/s or 45m/s. I then plugged in this value into the acceleration formula a= (45-0)/40s and got an answer of 1.125 m/s^2.
The answer key says that that answer should be 90m/s and then 2.25 m/s^s and I'm not sure why they are getting that answer?
 
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Olivia Tarca said:
The airplane travels 1.8km in 40 seconds. This would mean that when substituting into the formula V=d/t the velocity at takeoff is .045km/s or 45m/s.
Are you sure about that? Think about the actual mechanics of an airplane takeoff from rest at one end of the runway to liftoff at the other end.
 
phinds said:
Are you sure about that? Think about the actual mechanics of an airplane takeoff from rest at one end of the runway to liftoff at the other end.
The airplane would start off slow and then reach a faster speed at takeoff which leads me to believe that the average velocity would be slower than its speed at takeoff, but I'm not sure how to go about calculating that and that doesn't correspond to anything I have calculated.
 
Olivia Tarca said:
The airplane would start off slow and then reach a faster speed at takeoff which leads me to believe that the average velocity would be slower than its speed at takeoff, but I'm not sure how to go about calculating that and that doesn't correspond to anything I have calculated.
You are on the right track. What happens if you assume a smooth increase in speed from start to takeoff? You know the travel time and the travel distance.
 
distance: x=vi+1/2at^2 is also a relevant equation, and since there is acceleration v=x/t (velocity=distance/time) is Not true
 
phasacs said:
distance: x=vi+1/2at^2 is also a relevant equation, and since there is acceleration v=x/t (velocity=distance/time) is Not true
Please double-check that equation; it isn't quite right.
And you are correct that v = x/t does not apply if there is acceleration.

Edit: Oh, I thought I was responding to the original poster. Oh well, I guess I'll stick with my response. :)
 
phasacs said:
v=x/t (velocity=distance/time) is Not true
It is true given the right definitions of variables. In that equation, v is the average velocity. The error was in misapplying the equation to a different v.

It might seem that I am just being pedantic, but I feel students can get confused if they think equations are right in some cases and wrong in others. The thing to stress is that an equation only means anything given the definitions of the variables it mentions. In this case, the student's notes could be emended to "vavg = Δx/Δt".
 
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you need to use uniformly accelerated motion equations instead. If you don't know what these are I suggest reading through the beginning of your textbook.

the equations you will need are position equation and velocity equation.
 
TomHart said:
Please double-check that equation; it isn't quite right.
True, I forgot to multiply velocity with time: x=vi*t+1/2at^2
 

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