Speed at which two charges collide

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two point charges, where one charge is stationary and the other is released from rest at a distance. Participants are exploring the speed of the moving charge as it approaches the stationary charge, considering concepts from electrostatics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy conservation principles, questioning the validity of converting potential energy to kinetic energy due to the behavior of forces as the charges approach each other. There is also consideration of finding the time it takes for the charges to collide, with suggestions to explore limits and functions of time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts and reconsidering their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of potential and kinetic energy as the charges get closer, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with infinite forces as the distance between the charges approaches zero, and the implications this has on energy calculations. There is also mention of the problem's atypical nature for textbook scenarios.

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Homework Statement



Point charge A of mass m for which q=-Q is held in place as point charge B of mass m for which q=+Q is released from rest at a distance x. What is the speed of charge B as it collides with charge a? (This isn't an actual problem we have, just something that I was wondering as we're starting E&M)

Homework Equations



Fe=kqq/r^2

E=kqq/r

Potential energy = Kinetic energy

The Attempt at a Solution



I started out with an a(x) equation but didn't get beyond that as I couldn't find how to work with functions of time instead of position. Can you do this by just converting the potential energy at rest to kinetic energy? I feel like there should be more to it because the acceleration goes to infinity as b gets closer and closer to a.
 
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Just gave it some more thought and realized the U -> KE idea doesn't make sense (U increases as x decreases)... can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
Alright, new idea: would it be easier instead to find the time it takes for a positive charge to collide with a negative charge that is held in place a distance r away from where the positive charge starts?

It's probably easier to find the time it takes the moving charge to move from r to r-x away from the stationary charge, so to find it could we take the limit as x approaches r of some equation? I have no idea what that would be, though.
 
djrkeys4 said:

Homework Statement



Point charge A of mass m for which q=-Q is held in place as point charge B of mass m for which q=+Q is released from rest at a distance x. What is the speed of charge B as it collides with charge a? (This isn't an actual problem we have, just something that I was wondering as we're starting E&M)

Homework Equations



Fe=kqq/r^2

E=kqq/r

Potential energy = Kinetic energy

The Attempt at a Solution



I started out with an a(x) equation but didn't get beyond that as I couldn't find how to work with functions of time instead of position. Can you do this by just converting the potential energy at rest to kinetic energy? I feel like there should be more to it because the acceleration goes to infinity as b gets closer and closer to a.
Hello djrkeys4. Welcome to PF !

I doubt that you will ever see this problem in a textbook. The potential energy → -∞ as x → 0 . Therefore, the kinetic energy → +∞ as x → 0 .
djrkeys4 said:
Alright, new idea: would it be easier instead to find the time it takes for a positive charge to collide with a negative charge that is held in place a distance r away from where the positive charge starts?

It's probably easier to find the time it takes the moving charge to move from r to r-x away from the stationary charge, so to find it could we take the limit as x approaches r of some equation? I have no idea what that would be, though.
I haven't worked it out, but I'm pretty sure that it is possible to find the time it takes for the particles to collide.
 

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