Speed in still water/ throwing object horizontally.

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving projectile motion and relative motion in a river context. The first problem concerns a stone thrown horizontally from a cliff, while the second involves a swimmer crossing a river and being swept downstream.

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  • Participants explore the application of kinematic equations to separate horizontal and vertical motion in the first problem. There is uncertainty regarding the appropriate equations to use and the interpretation of results. Questions arise about the applicability of these equations in the context of the swimmer's motion in still water.

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Some participants have offered guidance on considering velocity components and applying kinematic equations separately for each direction. There is an ongoing exploration of how these concepts apply to both problems, with participants questioning their understanding of the equations involved.

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Participants express confusion about the use of equations in scenarios involving horizontal motion and the influence of water current on swimming speed. There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings in their initial calculations.

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Homework Statement


A stone is thrown horizontally with an initial speed of 10 m/s from the edge of a cliff. 4.3 s later the stone hits the ground. What is the height of the cliff?

A swimmer heading directly across a river 200 m wide reaches the opposite bank in 6 min 40 s. She is swept downstream 480 m. How fast can she swim in still water?

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The problem here is that I don't understand why some equations are used sometimes...

The Attempt at a Solution


For example, for the first question, I just calculated 43 meters, since the speed is 10 meters per second. I am aware that the speed accelerate continuously, but I don't understand which equation to use.

For the second question, it's the same thing. I found 0.5 m/s.

Thanks for explaining where I am not thinking correctly. I know that my answers are not correct (well, pretty sure)..
 
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You need to consider components of the velocities and accelerations, then apply the kinematic equations that I'm sure you know. For example, in the first case, you should split the speed [and acceleration] into two separate values, one for the vertical direction and one for the horizontal direction. Then you apply the kinematic equations to each direction separately.
 
Thanks!

But in the second question, the water is still... Do the equations still apply?...
 
future_vet said:
Thanks!

But in the second question, the water is still... Do the equations still apply?...
Not a problem!

Yes, in the second case the equations still apply. The idea behind the question is to find the component of her velocity which is perpendicular to the banks (and hence the velocity of the water), when she is swept downstream. This will be her speed in still water.
 
Thank you :)
 
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Thank you :)
Pleasure :smile:
 

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