Speed of Light, Rapidity & Cantor's Infinities

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The discussion centers on the concept of rapidity in relativity, asserting that the rapidity of light is infinite due to the incorporation of the gamma factor. Cantor's theorem on the existence of different sizes of infinity is referenced, emphasizing that there is no largest infinity, which raises questions about the nature of rapidity. The debate includes contrasting views on whether mathematical concepts of infinity can apply to physical realities, particularly the speed of light as a universal speed limit. Ultimately, it is concluded that the rapidity of light is undefined rather than infinite.

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The natural expression of speed in relativity (and thus the true meaning of speed) is through the concept of rapidity, which comes from incorporating the gamma factor. It turns out that the rapidity of light is infinite. So the question of whether there can be speeds greater than light becomes the question of whether there can be rapidities greater than infinity.

Here comes Cantor, who as you may know, proved one of the most surprising results in all of mathematics. He proved that there are different sizes of infinities and, on top of that, that there is no "largest" infinity. The last part also clears the waters as to what kind of rapidity is the rapidity of light. Is it the infinity of integers or of real numbers (which is a larger infinity)? It doesn't matter, because there is no largest infinity. So, Cantor's result gives a little hope that, at least mathematically, the infinite rapidity of light is not a limit.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
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I think you are applying math to reality in a way that does not compute.
 
Please elaborate.
 
You are positing a personal theory that the "speed of light", which is the name we give to the "universal speed limit" may not BE the universal speed limit because of some abstract math thing. I don't think that has any basis in reality, it's just a math thing.
 
AlexDB9 said:
It turns out that the rapidity of light is infinite.

No, this is not correct. What is correct is that the rapidity of light is undefined. The various concepts of infinity in mathematics have nothing to do with the behavior of light in relativity.
 

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