Speed of Pi Meson - Relativistic question

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The discussion revolves around a relativistic physics problem involving the speed of a pi meson, which has a known average lifetime and travels a specific distance before decaying. Participants are exploring how to calculate the speed of the meson using time dilation concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss calculating the lifetime of the pi meson in the lab frame and the implications of time dilation. There are questions about which equations to use and how to express the lifetime in terms of the unknown speed. Some participants suggest using the time dilation formula and combining it with basic velocity equations to isolate the speed variable.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various hints and suggestions being offered. Some participants confirm the correctness of approaches taken, while others seek clarification on their reasoning. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being discussed without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem, specifically the known average lifetime of the pi meson and the distance it travels before decaying. There is an emphasis on not assuming the speed of light in certain calculations, while also acknowledging that approximations may be acceptable in this context.

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After being created in a high-energy particle particle accelerator, a pi meson at rest has an average lifetime of 2.60 x 10^-8s. Travelling at a speed very close to the speed of light, a pi meson travels a distance of 120m before decaying. How fast is it moving?

Answer: 0.998c


Could anyone give me an ideas as to how to start this, or which equation(s) I should be using?

Thank you
 
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First calculate the pion life time in the lab frame. It's ok to use v = c here.

Then all you need is time dilatation and how the gamma factor depends on v.
 
ZedCar said:
Could anyone give me an ideas as to how to start this, or which equation(s) I should be using?
Hint: You are given ΔT0. What would the lifetime be in the lab frame? Write it in terms of the unknown speed v. (Do not assume v = c!) You'll then set up an equation and solve for the speed.
 
Doc Al said:
Hint: You are given ΔT0. What would the lifetime be in the lab frame? Write it in terms of the unknown speed v. (Do not assume v = c!) You'll then set up an equation and solve for the speed.

I would use the time dilation formula to obtain the lifetime in the lab frame.

Δt = γΔt0

Δt = γ(2.60x10^-8)
So I would have two unknowns, Δt and the v value in γ.

Is this correct so far? I solve this for v, which means the expression will have an unknown of Δt contained in it.
 
yes you're correct ... i just solved it this way and it gives the correct answer ...
 
ZedCar said:
Is this correct so far? I solve this for v, which means the expression will have an unknown of Δt contained in it.
So far, so good. Now combine this with the basic equation for velocity, which will eliminate Δt. Then you can solve for v, which will be the only unknown.

FYI, the method suggested by niklaus, of calculating Δt by taking v = c, is perfectly fine for this problem. The error introduced by that short cut is too small to matter.

But you should have no problem solving for v without needing any approximations.
 

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