Speed of sound and sound detection lag between ears

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to sound localization, specifically examining the time difference in sound arrival at the ears due to their separation distance of approximately 20 cm. The scenario involves a sound source positioned 5.0 m away at a 45-degree angle to the right of the listener's head.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to calculate the difference in arrival times, including the use of the cosine law and the Pythagorean theorem. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem, particularly regarding the placement of the sound source and the interpretation of the distances involved.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem geometrically. There are indications of confusion regarding the setup and calculations, with no clear consensus on the correct method or outcome yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented, with some expressing uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the situation and the application of relevant equations.

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Homework Statement



One cue your hearing system uses to localize a sound (i.e., to tell where a sound is coming from) is the slight difference in the arrival times of the sound at your ears. Your ears are spaced approximately 20 cm apart. Consider a sound source 5.0 m from the center of your head along a line 45 degrees to your right.

What is the difference in arrival times? Give your answer in microseconds.

Homework Equations



v=d/t
speed of sound in air @ rm temp = 343m/s

The Attempt at a Solution



I set up the problem as so:

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and then calculated the two dark red lines as different hypotenuses of the two different triangles (one is L+0.1 and the other is L-0.1), then I used v=d/t (with some manipulations) and got a difference which was incorrect

then i tried to set it up as 5 being the main hypotenuse (dashed turquoise), and did a similar process, again wrong
 
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I believe the 5m should be along the dashed 45 degree line... Use the cosine law to calculate the length of the two sides...

Use the dashed line, 0.1m and the right hypoteneuse triangle... calculate the length of the hypoteneuse...

Then use the dashed line, 0.1m and the left hypoteneuse triangle... calculate the length of the left hypoteneuse...
 
i have forgotten that way, but try drawing a per. line to the last dark red line from L-0.1 point,
and you make a safe assumption that two red lines are parallel..
kinda that

it's a square, in case you don't know
and, so using Pythagorean theorem I got 4.12286E-4 s,

and using some approximations, i made it a two lines problem, and got something very similar.

(0.2*5)/5 = difference in length
 
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learningphysics said:
I believe the 5m should be along the dashed 45 degree line... Use the cosine law to calculate the length of the two sides...

Use the dashed line, 0.1m and the right hypoteneuse triangle... calculate the length of the hypoteneuse...

Then use the dashed line, 0.1m and the left hypoteneuse triangle... calculate the length of the left hypoteneuse...

After doing so, since v=d/t and i want t, i need to flip the velocity, hence making it 1/343
 
...not working...
 
but I am pretty sure that L is 5 m.
 

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