Spherical Symmetric Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving an electron in a spherical symmetric harmonic potential. Participants explore the energy levels, degeneracies, and coupling of angular momentum and spin for the ground and first excited states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of energy levels and degeneracies for the ground and first excited states, questioning the correctness of their results. There is also exploration of the basis states and the implications of spin coupling on energy levels.

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Some participants confirm the correctness of calculations, while others seek clarification on specific quantum numbers and the impact of spin on degeneracy. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the importance of considering spin degrees of freedom and the resulting changes in degeneracy. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the calculations of angular momentum coupling and the effects of spin-orbit interaction.

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Homework Statement


An electron (S=1/2) is free in a spherical symmetric harmonic potential:
V(r)=\frac{1}{2}kr^2

a) Find energies and degeneracy of ground state and first excited state.
b) For these states find the l^2 and l_z basis.
c) How does these states split in a \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S} coupling?

3. The Attempt at a Solution

a) E = E_x+E_y+E_z=\hbar \omega (n_x+n_y+n_z+\frac{3}{2})=\hbar \omega (2 n_r + l+\frac{3}{2})
Ground state (l=0): E=\frac{3}{2}\hbar \omega, only one state - degeneracy 1
First excited state (l=1): E=\frac{5}{2} \hbar \omega, three possible chances - degeneracy 3
Is everything all right here?

b) I am not sure what do I have to do here. Do I only need to write | l, l_z \rangle?
Ground state (l=0, l_z=0): |00\rangle
First excited state: (l=1,l_z=\pm1,0): |1-1\rangle,|10\rangle,|11\rangle

c) \langle L S J M_J| \beta \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S} |L S J M_J\rangle = \frac{\beta \hbar^2}{2} \langle L S J M_J| j(j+1)-l(l+1)-s(s+1) |L S J M_J\rangle
I get 0 for the ground state and \hbar^2 \beta for first excited state. Does that mean that ground state doesn't split and first excited in 0, \pm \hbar^2 \beta?
 
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gasar8 said:
Is everything all right here?
Yes you are doing it right.
gasar8 said:
Do I only need to write |l,lz⟩|l,lz⟩| l, l_z \rangle?
You also need to specify the quantum number ##n_r##.
gasar8 said:
Does that mean that ground state doesn't split and first excited in 0,±ℏ2β0,±ℏ2β0, \pm \hbar^2 \beta?
How did you get those splitting?
In part (c), a new degree of freedom which is spin is added into the system. Consequently, it's important to realize the degeneracy of each state in this system after taking spin into account but before considering the spin-orbit perturbation. For the first excited state, what is the degeneracy? Then upon taking spin-orbit into account, what are the possible value of ##j##'s for the first excited state?
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
You also need to specify the quantum number nrnrn_r.
In both states it is 0?

Ok, I calculated something wrong. So, from \frac{\beta \hbar^2}{2} [j(j+1)-l(l+1)-s(s+1)], I get:
Ground state: -\hbar^2 \beta, the ground state only lowers for this factor?
1. excited state: \frac{\hbar^2 \beta}{2} \ \textrm{for} \ j=3/2\\ -\hbar^2 \beta \ \textrm{for} \ j=1/2

blue_leaf77 said:
For the first excited state, what is the degeneracy?
3, as I have calculated in a) part, but why do I need this now? nr and l are in 1. excited state always 0 and 1, respectively?
 
gasar8 said:
Ground state: −ℏ2β−ℏ2β-\hbar^2 \beta, the ground state only lowers for this factor?
Check again your calculation. For ground state, ##l=0## and ##s=1/2##, what is ##j##?
gasar8 said:
In both states it is 0?

1. excited state: \frac{\hbar^2 \beta}{2} \ \textrm{for} \ j=3/2\\ -\hbar^2 \beta \ \textrm{for} \ j=1/2
Yes. However, it's important to know that ##\beta## is often times a function of ##r##. Therefore, instead of just ##\beta## I think it's more appropriate to write ##\langle R_{01} |\beta(r)|R_{01}\rangle##.
gasar8 said:
3, as I have calculated in a) part, but why do I need this now?
After taking spin degree of freedom, the degeneracy should surely increase. Remember for spin 1/2 particle, each state will multiply two folds. Thus if initially a level has three degenerate states, what will it become after adding the spin?
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
For ground state, l=0 and s=1/2, what is j?
Oh, I don't even know what I was calculating. j=l+s=0+{1 \over 2}= {1 \over 2}, so there is no change in final energy.

Ok, thank you. :)

Yes, so I must multiply every degeneracy by 2?
Thank you very much!
 
gasar8 said:
there is no change in final energy.
Yes.
gasar8 said:
must multiply every degeneracy by 2?
Yes. Before adding spin orbit there are 3x2=6 states in the first excited level, after being perturbed by spin-orbit these 6 states split into two groups: 4 of them belong to ##j=3/2## state and the rest 2 to ##j=1/2##.
 
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Ok, thank you, I remember this from one of our other lectures. This is 2j+1 states for every degenerate state.
 

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