Spin connection vs. Christoffel connection

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the spin connection and the Christoffel connection in the context of gauge theories and general relativity. Participants explore the implications of these connections in quantum gravity, particularly regarding their degrees of freedom and how they are treated in various theoretical frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Joe, describes the spin connection as arising from local Lorentz symmetry related to vielbeins, while the Christoffel connection is linked to diffeomorphism invariance in general relativity.
  • Joe questions the relationship between the two connections and whether they represent independent degrees of freedom, expressing confusion about the treatment of perturbations in quantum gravity.
  • Another participant notes that various quantum gravity theories choose different variables as fundamental, suggesting a perspective on the relationship between spin and Christoffel connections as one where the Christoffel connection is induced by a spin connection on a principal bundle.
  • Joe reiterates his question about the independence of the connections and references specific literature for further context.
  • A later reply offers resources and personal notes on the subject, indicating a background in superstrings and superspace where the spin connection is treated differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the relationship between the spin and Christoffel connections, with multiple viewpoints presented without a clear consensus on their independence or interrelation.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, and there are references to specific theoretical frameworks and literature that may not be universally understood. The discussion touches on complex concepts that may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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Hi everyone -- I have a question about the relation between the spin connection and the Christoffel connection.

The spin connection comes from the local (gauge) Lorentz symmetry of how we orient vielbeins at each point in space, it contains a manifold index and two tangent space indices. The Christoffel connection comes from the (also local/gauge) diffeomorphism invariance of general relativity, carrying three manifold indices.

My question is how are these two connections related, or are they both independent degrees of freedom?

My background is in particle physics rather than relativity, so I prefer to think about these connections as gauge fields. In this case, I'm confused about the degrees of freedom that people work with when they do perturbative quantum gravity. Why is it that people work with perturbations on the metric rather than perturbations of the Christoffel symbol, which seems to be the "actual" gauge field? (I'm told this has something to do with the Palatini formalism which connects the two?) Further, why don't people treat the spin connection as a physical gauge field?

Thanks!
Joe
 
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My knowledge in this field is limited but there are all sorts of quantum gravity theories that choose different variables as "basic" quantities.

As for the relation between spin and Christoffel connections, you can think of the Christoffel connection as the connection on an associated bundle induced by a (spin) connection on the principal bundle.
 
JosephButler said:
Hi everyone -- I have a question about the relation between the spin connection and the Christoffel connection.

The spin connection comes from the local (gauge) Lorentz symmetry of how we orient vielbeins at each point in space, it contains a manifold index and two tangent space indices. The Christoffel connection comes from the (also local/gauge) diffeomorphism invariance of general relativity, carrying three manifold indices.

My question is how are these two connections related, or are they both independent degrees of freedom?

...
Thanks!
Joe

See for example Chamseddine hep-th/0511074 (2005) and the discussion in "Beyond the standard model" page 2, Martin Kober ...
 
I have made notes from various sources on this subject if you're interested
http://www.mathematics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Differential_geometry/spin_connection
http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Gravitational_physics/fermions_in_curved_space
I had to study this stuff to work with superstrings and superspace where the spin connection is graded, but the same sort of ideas hold. Hope you find this useful.
 
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