Any good idea how non-abelian gauge symmetries emerge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the emergence of non-abelian gauge symmetries, contrasting them with abelian symmetries like U(1). Participants explore theoretical frameworks, potential origins, and the implications of these symmetries on particle spectra.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a perspective on U(1) gauge symmetry, describing it as a redundancy in the representation of massless spin 1 particles, but notes that this explanation does not extend to non-abelian symmetries.
  • Another participant references Yang-Mills theory, suggesting that non-abelian gauge theories can be derived similarly to U(1) through constraints on multiple massless vector bosons, which must belong to a compact Lie group.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the absence of a clear narrative for the origin of non-abelian gauge symmetries, questioning the lack of analogous explanations.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that gauge theories must be abelian, suggesting that the requirement for massless spin 1 fields does not inherently dictate this property.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origins of non-abelian gauge symmetries, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in existing explanations for non-abelian gauge symmetries and express a need for further references or ideas to clarify these concepts.

jakob1111
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I think the story where abelian, i.e. U(1), gauge symmetry comes from is pretty straight-forward:

We describe massless spin 1 particles, which have only two physical degrees of freedom, with a spin 1 field, which is represented by a four-vector. This four-vector has 4 entries and therefore too many degrees of freedom. A description of a spin 1 particle in terms of a four-vector field is necessarily redundant and we call this redundancy "gauge symmetry". Formulated differently: particles are representations of the little groups of the Poincare group, whereas fields are representations of the complete Poincare group. This is what leads to the gauge redundancy. However, as far as I know this story only works for the familiar U(1) symmetry.

(This point of view is emphasized, for example, in Weinbergs QFT book Vol. 1 section 5.9. Someone who currently likes to emphasize this perspective is Arkani-Hamed, for example, in section 2 of his latest paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1709.04891 or here https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.02797. I actually asked him a month ago if he knows any idea for an analogous explanation for non-abelian gauge redundancies, but unfortunately he didn't had a good answer.)

Is there any good idea where non-abelian gauge symmetries come from? The big difference, I think, is that non-abelian gauge symmetries also in some sense help us to explain the particle spectrum. For example, we have doublets and triplets of elementary particles and this is a real physical consequence and can not be regarded as an accident, because we use the "wrong" objects to describe elementary particles.
 
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I learned Yang-Mills theory from a course taught by Xi Yin, whose lecture notes can be found http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~xiyin/Site/Notes_files/253b_Lectures.pdf. Beginning on page 23, he derives both U(1) and non-abelian gauge theory from some "soft theorem"-like calculations. The conceptual idea behind the proof for non-abelian gauge theory is very similar to the U(1) case, he simply asks what possibilities exist for a theory with multiple massless vector bosons, and finds the constraint that they must live in a compact Lie group.
 
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jakob1111 said:
However, as far as I know this story only works for the familiar U(1) symmetry.

Why?
 
Dr.AbeNikIanEdL said:
Why?

Simply because I've never seen a similar story for the origin of non-abelian gauge symmetries :D

If you know any reference where this is explained or have an idea how the story could go for non-abelian gauge symmetries, please let me know!
 
I mean nothing in this tells you that your gauge theory should be abelian, or am I missing something? You just know that some of the "apparent" states of the theory have to be unphysical, as they are in gauge theories, if you want a massless spin 1 field.
 

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