Spin expectation value of singlet state from two axes

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spin expectation value of a singlet state involving two spin operators, S1 and S2, oriented at an angle θ with respect to the z-axis. Participants are exploring the implications of the problem's setup and the mathematical representation of the spin operators using Pauli matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest starting with the representation of spin operators in terms of Pauli matrices. There is a discussion about the correct sign for the cosine term based on the angle θ and the orientation of the spin operators. Questions arise regarding the meaning of working in a single basis and the implications of the problem's constraints.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering insights and clarifications about the setup. Some guidance has been provided regarding the choice of basis for the spin operators, but there is still uncertainty about the interpretation of certain aspects of the problem.

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Participants note the importance of orthogonality conditions in the calculations and express concerns about the implications of previous posts being deleted, indicating a sensitivity to the forum's rules regarding homework help.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am just trying to figure out how to start the problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Start by writing S1 and S2 in terms of the pauli matrices.
 
Sourabh N said:
Start by writing S1 and S2 in terms of the pauli matrices.

Would S1=Sz and S2 have cos(θ) instead of 1's in the matrix?
 
Yes, but you need to be careful about the sign, whether it is cos(θ) or -cos(θ), since the question says -"makes an angle θ down with the z axis".
 
Sourabh N said:
Yes, but you need to be careful about the sign, whether it is cos(θ) or -cos(θ), since the question says -"makes an angle θ down with the z axis".

Ok, but what does the question mean by picking a single basis to work in? I just don't know what the question is saying.
 
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I believe they are trying to tell you to have both S_1 and S_2 in the same basis, i.e, either choose S_1 to lie along z-axis and S_2 to lie theta away from it, or choose S_2 to lie along z-axis and S_1 to lie -theta away from it.

Since they already chose the first of these options, the hint is redundant (as the author say so themselves!).
 
may be it will be clear if I show some solution,
Using the notation of question and I use + for up and - for down,

<00|S1S2|00>=-h-/2.h-/2 cosθ.(1/2)(<+-|+->+<-+|-+>),other two terms in brackets which you get are zero because of orthogonality condition.(The extra minus sign in front is just because cos(1800-θ)=-cosθ) and you will get this
=-h-2/4.cosθ(because <+-|+->=1 and similarly for other)
edit:I hope this post will not be deleted like some of my previous ones.
 
andrien said:
may be it will be clear if I show some solution,
Using the notation of question and I use + for up and - for down,

<00|S1S2|00>=-h-/2.h-/2 cosθ.(1/2)(<+-|+->+<-+|-+>),other two terms in brackets which you get are zero because of orthogonality condition.(The extra minus sign in front is just because cos(1800-θ)=-cosθ) and you will get this
=-h-2/4.cosθ(because <+-|+->=1 and similarly for other)
edit:I hope this post will not be deleted like some of my previous ones.

Thank you andrien, your answer was clear and to the point. I don't know why your other posts would have been deleted but this one won't be.
 
bencmier said:
Thank you andrien, your answer was clear and to the point. I don't know why your other posts would have been deleted but this one won't be.

it is just because I can not do anyone's homework in this section.I have already gotten infraction for this.But you saw it,so cheers!
 

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