Expectation Value of Composite System

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Homework Statement


System of 2 particles with spin 1/2. Let
[tex] \vert + \rangle =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix} \\<br /> \vert - \rangle =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

singlet state [tex] \vert \Phi \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \Big( \vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle - \vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle \Big)[/tex]
observables:
[tex] (2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes 1 \\<br /> (2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes (2 \vec{b} \vec{S}^2)[/tex]
for arbitraty a,b

Homework Equations


[tex] S_x^i=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 & 1\\<br /> 1 & 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]
and similar for S_y and S_z

The Attempt at a Solution


I have to calculate
[tex] \langle \Phi \vert(2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes 1 \vert \Phi \rangle[/tex]
in the first task. Does the tensor product notation of Phi means that particle A is in state + and particle B is in state - or the other way round?
Does the 1 in the observable means that the state of B is simply ignored in the meaurement?
So does the first case simplify to
[tex] \langle + \vert a_1 \hat S_x +a_2 \hat S_y +a_3 \hat S_z \vert + \rangle -<br /> \langle - \vert a_1 \hat S_x +a_2 \hat S_y +a_3 \hat S_z \vert - \rangle[/tex]
and the expectation value becomes zero, as expected for the singlet state
 
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Sci said:
Does the tensor product notation of Phi means that particle A is in state + and particle B is in state - or the other way round?

The state ##|+\rangle \otimes |-\rangle## is the state with the first particle in the + state and the second particle in the - state. The singlet state ##|\Phi\rangle## that you have is a linear combination of ##|+\rangle \otimes |-\rangle## and ##|-\rangle \otimes |+\rangle##.

Sci said:
Does the 1 in the observable means that the state of B is simply ignored in the meaurement?

In general:
$$
(\hat A\otimes \hat B)(|a\rangle \otimes |b\rangle) = (\hat A |a\rangle) \otimes (\hat B |b\rangle).
$$
This should help you solve your problem.
 
Thank you!
I am still confused about the basic rules
[tex] (\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle ) \\<br /> -(\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle )\\<br /> -(\langle - \vert \otimes \langle + \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle )\\<br /> +(\langle - \vert \otimes \langle + \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle )[/tex]
using your rule
[tex] (\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a}\vert + \rangle \otimes 1\vert - \rangle ) + others[/tex]
can I do the following step;
[tex] (\langle + \vert \vec{S} \vec{a}\vert + \rangle \otimes \langle - \vert 1 \vert - \rangle) + others[/tex]

the tensor product doesn't mke sense here...
 
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When taking the inner product between two states, you simply get the product of the inner products on the separate spaces:
$$
(\langle a'|\otimes\langle b'|)(|a\rangle\otimes |b\rangle)
= \langle a'|a\rangle \langle b'|b\rangle
$$
There is no need to keep the tensor product and as you say it makes little sense to do so.

Edit: that said, you are otherwise on the right track.