Expectation Value of Composite System

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The discussion revolves around the expectation value calculation for a composite quantum system consisting of two spin-1/2 particles. The original poster presents a singlet state and various observables, seeking clarification on the implications of tensor product notation and the role of the measurement operator.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the meaning of the tensor product notation in relation to the states of the particles and questions whether the observable indicates that one particle's state is ignored. Other participants clarify the notation and provide insights into the rules governing tensor products and inner products in quantum mechanics.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, providing clarifications and discussing the mathematical rules involved. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the tensor product in the context of the problem, with some guidance offered on how to approach the expectation value calculation.

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There is an indication of confusion regarding the basic rules of quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of tensor products and inner products, which may affect the original poster's ability to proceed with the problem.

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Homework Statement


System of 2 particles with spin 1/2. Let
<br /> \vert + \rangle =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix} \\<br /> \vert - \rangle =<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

singlet state <br /> \vert \Phi \rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \Big( \vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle - \vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle \Big)<br />
observables:
<br /> (2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes 1 \\<br /> (2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes (2 \vec{b} \vec{S}^2)<br />
for arbitraty a,b

Homework Equations


<br /> S_x^i=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
and similar for S_y and S_z

The Attempt at a Solution


I have to calculate
<br /> \langle \Phi \vert(2 \vec{a} \vec{S}^1) \otimes 1 \vert \Phi \rangle<br />
in the first task. Does the tensor product notation of Phi means that particle A is in state + and particle B is in state - or the other way round?
Does the 1 in the observable means that the state of B is simply ignored in the meaurement?
So does the first case simplify to
<br /> \langle + \vert a_1 \hat S_x +a_2 \hat S_y +a_3 \hat S_z \vert + \rangle -<br /> \langle - \vert a_1 \hat S_x +a_2 \hat S_y +a_3 \hat S_z \vert - \rangle<br />
and the expectation value becomes zero, as expected for the singlet state
 
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Sci said:
Does the tensor product notation of Phi means that particle A is in state + and particle B is in state - or the other way round?

The state ##|+\rangle \otimes |-\rangle## is the state with the first particle in the + state and the second particle in the - state. The singlet state ##|\Phi\rangle## that you have is a linear combination of ##|+\rangle \otimes |-\rangle## and ##|-\rangle \otimes |+\rangle##.

Sci said:
Does the 1 in the observable means that the state of B is simply ignored in the meaurement?

In general:
$$
(\hat A\otimes \hat B)(|a\rangle \otimes |b\rangle) = (\hat A |a\rangle) \otimes (\hat B |b\rangle).
$$
This should help you solve your problem.
 
Thank you!
I am still confused about the basic rules
<br /> (\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle ) \\<br /> -(\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle )\\<br /> -(\langle - \vert \otimes \langle + \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert + \rangle \otimes \vert - \rangle )\\<br /> +(\langle - \vert \otimes \langle + \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a} \otimes 1 ) (\vert - \rangle \otimes \vert + \rangle )<br />
using your rule
<br /> (\langle + \vert \otimes \langle - \vert )( \vec{S} \vec{a}\vert + \rangle \otimes 1\vert - \rangle ) + others<br />
can I do the following step;
<br /> (\langle + \vert \vec{S} \vec{a}\vert + \rangle \otimes \langle - \vert 1 \vert - \rangle) + others<br />

the tensor product doesn't mke sense here...
 
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When taking the inner product between two states, you simply get the product of the inner products on the separate spaces:
$$
(\langle a'|\otimes\langle b'|)(|a\rangle\otimes |b\rangle)
= \langle a'|a\rangle \langle b'|b\rangle
$$
There is no need to keep the tensor product and as you say it makes little sense to do so.

Edit: that said, you are otherwise on the right track.
 

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