Spin orbit coupling/Filling order/Nucleus

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The discussion revolves around the filling order of electron orbitals, specifically comparing p3/2 and p1/2, as well as d5/2 and d3/2 orbitals. Additionally, participants explore the absence of spin-orbit coupling in the nucleus and the differences in energy levels between electrons and nucleons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which orbital fills first between p3/2 and p1/2, and d5/2 and d3/2, seeking an explanation for the filling order.
  • Another participant suggests that p1/2 has a slightly lower energy than p3/2 based on an external source, noting that this may change in a crystal due to orbital overlap.
  • A participant provides links to images illustrating electron and nuclear energy levels, highlighting the differences in splitting due to spin-orbit coupling.
  • One participant points out that the nucleus does not exhibit the same splitting as electron energy levels, implying a difference in behavior between electrons and nucleons.
  • Another participant argues that electrons experience weak spin-orbit splitting in small elements, while nuclei experience strong spin-orbit splitting, contradicting earlier claims about the absence of splitting in the nucleus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the filling order of orbitals and the nature of spin-orbit coupling in electrons versus nucleons. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference external sources and images to support their claims, but there is no consensus on the filling order or the nature of spin-orbit coupling in the nucleus versus electrons.

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Which tends to fill first:

p3/2 or p1/2?
d5/2 or d3/2?

And why is there no spin orbit coupling in the nucleus?
 
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I just googled it and came to this link https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/58135/shape-of-the-p1-2-orbital/58442#58442. If you scroll to the first answer there is a picture. Judging from that picture I guess p1/2 has a slightly lower energy then 3/2 so I guess it will be filled first. Same goes for d orbitals. This for an isolated atoms, if you have a crystal overlap will occur and it is difficult to say a priori what would happen.

I don't understand your question about the nucleus.
 
(Your software messed up the images a little bit)
Electron energy levels with spin orbit coupling:
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Nuclear energy levels:
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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...g_order.svg/revision/latest?cb=20210106233016

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...g.Order.svg/revision/latest?cb=20210106112220
 
If you spend a few lines to actually explain your question someone might help you.
 
As can be seen in the image above each electron energy level is split into 2. (e.g. 3/2 and 5/2.) But the nucleus has no such splitting
 
Actually, vice versa.
Electrons have very weak spin-orbit splitting for small elements, so that for example 2p orbitals are first filled by 3 unpaired electrons, to N - irrespective of any 2p1/2 vs 2p3/2 difference.
Whereas nuclei have a strong spin-orbit splitting, so "1p" is split into "1p3/2" and "1p/2"
 
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