Spin Orbit Interaction Hamiltonian

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the derivation of the Spin Orbit Interaction Hamiltonian from a relativistic perspective. Participants explore various texts that address this topic and discuss the implications of relativistic effects, particularly the Thomas precession.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Spin Orbit Interaction Hamiltonian and seeks a derivation from relativistic treatment.
  • Several participants mention textbooks such as Messiah, Sakaurai, Cohen-Tannouji, and Bjorken & Drell as sources that define the spin-orbit interaction and its derivations.
  • There is a claim that the derivations in these textbooks may yield results that are incorrect by a factor of two, necessitating a relativistic analysis of the Thomas precession effect.
  • Another participant suggests that starting from the Dirac equation can lead to the Hamiltonian as presented in Jackson's textbook, which is noted for its clarity.
  • A participant agrees that beginning with relativistic quantum theory is a straightforward approach to obtaining the correct result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of textbook derivations, with some suggesting they may be flawed while others support their validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive the Hamiltonian.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential errors in standard derivations and the importance of considering relativistic effects, but do not resolve the specific mathematical steps or assumptions involved.

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Spin Orbit Interaction Hamiltonian is defined as follows:

<br /> H_{SO}=\frac{1}{2m_{e}c^2}\frac{1}{r} \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial r}\right)L\cdot S<br />

How does one derive the above Spin Orbit Interaction Hamiltonian from relativistic treatment? Is there a good textbook that elaborates on this?
 
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Messiah, Sakaurai, Cohen-Tannouji, Bjorken & Drell, all of those texts have the spin-orbit interaction defined in them and their derivations...
 
Dr Transport said:
Messiah, Sakaurai, Cohen-Tannouji, Bjorken & Drell, all of those texts have the spin-orbit interaction defined in them and their derivations...

Thank you!
 
Thomas precession

It might be worth mentioning that the "simple derivation" presented in most or perhaps all of those textbooks obtains a final result that is in error by approximately a factor of two. To get the right answer, it is important to carry out a relativistic analysis of what is often called the "Thomas precession" effect. This is addressed at some length in Jackson's textbook on E&M, in Chapter 11 or 12, I believe.
 
QMfunster said:
It might be worth mentioning that the "simple derivation" presented in most or perhaps all of those textbooks obtains a final result that is in error by approximately a factor of two. To get the right answer, it is important to carry out a relativistic analysis of what is often called the "Thomas precession" effect. This is addressed at some length in Jackson's textbook on E&M, in Chapter 11 or 12, I believe.

if we began from Dirac equation, we can obtain the Hamiltonian just like the form in Jackson book. i find L. I. Schiff's book extremely well explained.
 
Yes, I agree. Starting from relativistic quantum theory is definitely the most straightforward way to get to the correct result.
 

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