Spin statistic terms in absorption cross section

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the absorption cross section in the context of particle physics, specifically focusing on the inclusion of spin statistics in the cross section formulae presented in certain papers. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to spin-dependent cross sections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the inclusion of the term (2j+1) in the cross section definition, suggesting it should be the full g(j) = (2j+1)/((2a+1)(2b+1)), where a and b are the spins of the incident particle and target.
  • Another participant mentions the rule "average over initial, sum over final," indicating that initial spin orientations may not contribute if the reaction probability is independent of them.
  • A participant clarifies that while transmission probability is spin dependent, they are specifically addressing the spin term in the general cross section definition.
  • A further inquiry is made about the relationship between the absorption cross section for spin 0 and spin 1/2 cases, particularly regarding the transformation between kappa and l and the factors involved.
  • A participant later indicates they have resolved their questions and suggests the thread may be closed or removed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate terms to include in the cross section definitions, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the treatment of spin in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the independence of reaction probabilities from initial spin orientations and the transformation between different spin cases remain unresolved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the correct form of the cross section definitions.

FunkyDwarf
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'Ello,

I have a question regarding the results in this paper (and another which I will mention later)

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0212199

Now, I'm not so concerned about the 'braney' bit, but more their definition of the cross section in Eqn. (46). They have included the usual (2j+1) term (which is present even in non-relativistic physics) but it seems to me it should be the full g(j) = (2j+1)/((2a+1)(2b+1)) where a and b are the spins of the incident particle and the target (in this case one of them can be zero as they consider a black hole target which is modeled as a classical potential, in some sense).

A similar definition seems to be used in this paper by R. Fabbri:
http://prd.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v12/i4/p933_1

in this case in Eqn. (34)

In both cases they consider spin 1 and so one would expect a factor of (2j+1)/3, or no?

Any help would be appreciated :\

Cheers!
-Z
 
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Isn't the rule "average over initial, sum over final." Meaning that if the reaction probability is independent of the initial spin orientations, they don't contribute any weight. But the final spins are summed over, and do contribute a factor.
 
Well the transmission probability will certainly be spin dependent, but I'm talking about the spin term in the general cross section definition. I'm simply trying to work out why they include (2j+1) instead of the 'full' general term, given they are not considering a scalar incident particle.
 
Ok, slightly different question :)

The absorption cross section for spin 0 is defined as

[tex] \sigma =\frac{\pi}{\epsilon^2} \Sigma (2l+1) T_l[/tex]
for transmission coefficient $T_l$.

I understand the (2l+1) factor comes from the expansion of the plane wave to look at scattering. I don't suppose someone could point me to a similar expansion in the spin half case where the cross section is

[tex] \sigma =\frac{\pi}{\epsilon^2} \Sigma|\kappa| T_l[/tex]

Clearly the direct transformation between kappa and l doesn't allow you to go between these two equations (at least without a factor of 2).

Thanks,
-Z
 
Ok so apparently I'm a spazz and can't find the edit button, solved the above problems so thread can be closed/removed if needed :) Thanks guys!
 

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