Spivak, Calculus - Where to find or is it covered?

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The discussion revolves around whether Spivak's calculus book covers topics such as Related Rates and Optimization. Participants explore the scope of Spivak's focus, contrasting it with other calculus texts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires if Related Rates or Optimization are covered in Spivak's book, noting a lack of references in the Index.
  • Another participant states that most calculus books mention the condition f'(x) = 0 for local minima and maxima, suggesting this is the extent of coverage for optimization in typical texts.
  • A different participant argues that Spivak is not recommended for learning about Related Rates and Optimization, as these topics are more applied, while Spivak emphasizes theoretical aspects.
  • One participant suggests that Stewart's Calculus would be a better resource for applied calculus topics like Related Rates and Optimization.
  • Another participant agrees that Spivak likely does not cover Related Rates, indicating that it is primarily an application of the chain rule, which Spivak addresses adequately, but does not focus on practical illustrations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Spivak's book is more theoretical and may not cover applied topics like Related Rates and Optimization, but there is no consensus on the specifics of what is included in Spivak's text.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact content of Spivak's book, particularly regarding the coverage of applied calculus topics, and highlight the difference in focus between Spivak and other calculus texts.

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I just got Spivak's book a couple days ago, I've flipped through it and was looking through the Index. Does Spivak cover Related Rates or Optimization? I did not find it at all, so I am curious and wondering if it's under some other name. Thanks!
 
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I have never seen a calculus book that doesn't mention the f'(x) = 0 for local min/max. That's usually the extend 1-var calculus covers "optimization". The same thing is invariably discussed for multivariable real functions. Related rates are just word problems if I recall correctly. I haven't seen Spivak's book but they say it's semi-advanced, so may not cover word problems, the theoretical one's may be hard enough as it is.
 
I don't think anyone would recommend Spivak for learning about related rates and optimization. That topic is largely applied calculus, whereas Spivak focuses a lot on theoretical concerns. For applied calculus, I think Stewart's Calculus ought to cover it.
 
Stewart's it is...
 
indeed spivak probably does not cover related rates since there is essentially no new math in it. it is just an example of using the chain rule, but he covers the chain rule quite well. he might cover at least the criteria for existence of and recognition of extrema, but he does not again belabor illustrations of principles like that. at the level of that book, if you know the chain rule and the rolle theorem it is expected you can use them to do word problems.
 

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