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Split from: Evolution

  1. Apr 4, 2006 #1
    OK I apologize I did it again and overlooked a point and thus you sparked an interest, thanks.

    Metabolic Process

    In oxidations of glucose, as described in respiration, energy is released and is shown to be held within atp’s as reserved energy but we also know this reaction is what gives body heat to aerobic animals.

    So my question is 3 parts;

    1) what reactions are issuing conserved energy and which are releasing heat?,
    2) in what method (wave length) and
    3) what specifies the parameters of temperature?

    I am considering the base elements themselves to begin with. The alkali’s have an issue with water and oxygen for example and carbon-12 can bond with just about anything in a reactive fashion. Can you help with this?
     
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  3. Apr 4, 2006 #2

    Moonbear

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    I've split this off the "Evolution" thread. Please don't start new topics in other people's threads.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2006 #3
    I sure am glad we have you looking out for us MB.

    Thanks for the correction but can you answer my questions?
     
  5. Apr 4, 2006 #4

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    Could you rephrase or expand on all three of them? They don't make a whole lot of sense as written.

    But to make an attempt:

    1. [edit: deleted, vast oversimplification - yield to Moonbear]
    2. Chemical energy is released as heat. There is no specific frequency of radiation.

    #3 makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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  6. Apr 4, 2006 #5

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    It's not the formation of ATP that generates body heat, it is the enzymatic breakdown of ATP to ADP that allows energy to be released for generation of heat. Phosphate bonds are high energy bonds.

    What do you mean "issuing conserved energy?" "Issued" is a vague term in this context. If the energy is being conserved, it is not being released. Any biochemistry textbook will go over the basics of glycolysis vs. gluconeogenesis and the various reactions that produce ATP or break it down to ADP.

    As for the generation of heat, here is the abstract of an article you might be interested in reading further:

    Method for what?
    I have no idea what you're even asking. You'll have to explain what you're looking for there. Use of the term "parameter" makes no sense in this context. http://www.wordreference.com/definition/parameter

    No, because I have no idea what you're asking. What alkalis? What "issue"? Again, that's just too vague to be answerable.
     
  7. Apr 5, 2006 #6

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    2) Seems he's asking for what temp. the energy is released as. As heat, it is in the IR range. Which sort of answers #3 as well.
     
  8. Apr 5, 2006 #7
    Now that’s Love. I feel blessed to have the mentors and advisors working with me. Thanks … :>:>

    Mr. Waters .. why is the first question so oversimplified …. There are a few reasons for the reactions and the primary is to release energy. My question was asking what elements of the molecules are releasing which energy. We have base elements combined in molecules that are interacting with other elements to release energy, so I am asking for a well defined interpretation so I can address the variables of the system to find out what the energy released is exactly!

    # 2 …… all heat and active vibrations of any molecule has a wave length …. Yes I believe there are specifics here, sir! Can you help?

    #3 Sir, I apologize maybe my wording is incorrect, it happens but let’s take a look If you combine oxygen and butane we know what we are going to get in a temperature range for certain welding or torch usage. Well I am asking for that in a protein exchange. What combinations issue which range of energy or wave length? It’s just a smaller scale but rules should still apply when we combine certain elements or molecules.

    DaveC ….. your right, “in the infrared” a wave length. Almost like a water molecule when it’s frozen it can become fixed because of the low energy state, juice up water with a little heat and you have water molecules carrying heat or emr/photon, am I understanding this correctly?

    MB…… ATP’s ….. the term ‘conserved energy’ is from the observed description of the results in a glucose oxidation within aerobic cell respiration. (I was using the most common reaction of aerobic life forms to keep on the same playing field, sir.) . After the reconfiguration is done, energy is released (heat); these (ATP) molecules are returned to complete another task in a state of conserved energy but “yes” some are converted to adp’s but still acting almost like a capacitor, it’s juiced up and ready to complete another reaction. I was wondering if maybe the molecule then converts to another energy capacity or resonance to address the next duty based on the molecular capacity to hold energy.

    The alkali’s are a group of elements. Potassium and Sodium are the most reactive elements on the chart to water and oxygen. They are a bunch of “little bombs.” From what I understand our bodies are made of primarily oxygen, sodium, potassium, hydrogen, carbon and water of course (molecule). So my point was that by looking into the base elements and the properties of these I begin to ask a few questions, sir.

    And when looking directly at the molecules of sugars etc and the reactions, heat, and release of this energy, [diatomic reactions (I use this term because of the quantity of diatomic molecules that are so reactive and how they burst energy in various wavelengths] I see that a range of wavelengths are actually released and it’s not so much as a handing of a vibration from one molecule another but as a burst of energy, like a rock on water that will actually affect all other molecules in the proximity. As these waves roll out other molecules capture some of this (just guessing sir) upon their structure and become catalysts in their own stage. For example mitosis cannot begin until a specific temperature is reached or the surrounding resonance must be at 98.6 I believe for us, sir.

    Just and thought that I was hoping you could help me with.
     
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  9. Apr 5, 2006 #8

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    I meant that my answer - my understanding of the biology - was oversimplified.
    No, they don't. Chemical reactions release heat, and heat can be transferred via conduction or radiation (convection and conduction are the same thing on a molecular level). Conducted heat has no frequency and radiated heat is black-body radiation, so it is over a broad spectrum of frequencies.
    No, you aren't. "Infrared" is not a wavelength, it is a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum encompassing a broad range of wavelengths. And heat is not necessarily only transferred via radiation, as I said above.
     
  10. Apr 5, 2006 #9
    OK …. I understand we are not all a jack of all trades. I can build a self sustaining desalination plant but not a rocket to go to the moon, so yes I understand.

    On the number 2 items I beg to differ with your interpretation because even in conduction, phonon properties are measured in wave lengths and I thought all energy even the stuff that holds molecules together is emr or emr is released when we bring any molecule to an absolute rest state and it breaks down to its base elements.

    Convection is just rising molecules once heat or energy is captured; ie.. boiling water but in either case these molecules are holding energy, conveying or moving because of the energy the molecule captured.

    So infrared is a band or range of the emr spectrum and convection and conductions are the methods of sharing within a solid, liquid or gas and in a vacuum infrared moves as a propagated radiation, OK. My point is all of it is emr/energy in a sense when you break apart the pieces. Correct?

    Now to follow this path if potassium is combined with a water molecule is there a description of the range of wavelength’s released? And if we combine them in a surrounding body of other molecules would the energy released act like a rock thrown into a pond with the energy in all it’s forms roll over the medium?

    Finally if we have these other molecules encircling this reaction is it possible that the surrounding molecules may capture some of this energy?

    Thanks for the assistance, sir.
     
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