Spring constant with point charges

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two point charges and a spring. The original poster presents a scenario where charges Qa and Qb are placed on the x-axis, and the task involves calculating the electric field, force between the charges, and the spring constant of a spring connecting them after compression.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the spring constant using the force between the charges and the change in spring length but expresses uncertainty about their approach.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of the original poster's calculations and suggest considering the potential energy stored in the spring.
  • Others raise the issue of needing the spring constant to determine the potential energy in the spring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to relate the potential energy of the spring to the change in potential energy of the charges. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relating forces, potential energy, and spring constants, with some noting the importance of units in calculations. The original poster's calculations are questioned, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of concepts.

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Homework Statement


Two charges Qa = 3 µC and Qb = -3 µC are placed on the x-axis with a separation of a = 21 cm.

(a) Find the net electric field at point P, a distance d = 13 cm to the left of charge Qa.

This is no prob = -1364069.13N

(b) Find the force on Qb due to Qa .

No prob again = -1.837



The charges Qa and Qb are now attached to the ends of a spring whose unstretched length is s0 = 21 cm. With the charges attached, the spring compresses to an equilibrium length s1 = 9 cm.

(c) Calculate the spring constant ks of the spring.

this is what i can't figure out?





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The Attempt at a Solution



heres are the steps i did (its wrong though)

1. Spring constant is Fsp = -k delta s

2. i already know the force that the 2 charges exert on each other (= 1.837N)

3. delta s would be 21cm - 9cm = 12cm = .12m

4. then i just plugged in:
1.837 = -k(.12m)
k = -15.308

this is wrong.
please help
 
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For a) the units of E field strength are not N. For b) that looks right, except you forgot to include the units, which are Newtons. For c) figure out the potential energy stored in the compressed spring and equate it to the change of potential energy of the moved charges. You can't assume that the force is a constant.
 
Dont I need the spring constant to get the PE stored in the spring though?
PE (in spring) = ( 1/2 k (delta s)^2)
 
The change in the PE of the charges gives you the change in the PE of the spring. That gives you the spring constant.
 

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