Spring sysytem: finding A and Vmax

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring system where a 4 kg mass is attached to a spring with a spring constant of 300 N/m. Participants are exploring how to determine the amplitude of the spring's oscillation and the velocity of the mass at a specific displacement from the mean position.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the maximum displacement using Hooke's law and expresses uncertainty about the mean position of the spring. Some participants clarify that the mean position is the equilibrium position and question the original poster's understanding of potential and kinetic energy in the system.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing clarifications and suggesting methods to apply conservation of energy principles. There is a mix of interpretations regarding energy states at different positions of the spring, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the next steps.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions of potential and kinetic energy at various positions of the spring, and the original poster is seeking further clarification on these concepts. The discussion is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration.

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There is a mass on a spring of 4 kg. The spring constant is 300 Nm. The spring is laying on a horizontal surface. (F=39.2 N)

I need to find:
1. the amplitude if the force is stretching the spring to its maximum displacement, and
2. the velocity of the object at a distance of 0.10 m from the mean position.

To find x, I used F=kx. 39.2=300x, so x=0.13 meters. Would that be the maximum displacement?

I do not know how to find the mean position of the spring. I know the spring has maximum velocity at the mean position when in motion, and I know that the spring also has maximum potential energy at the mean position when stationary.

Can someone give me a push in the right direction? Thanks!
 
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Mean position is another word for equilibrium position. This is the position the spring is at when it is not stretched or oscillating. The mean position is therefore x=0.
Yes you have found the right maximum displacement.
But actually you've got one thing wrong. You said:
"I know the spring has maximum velocity at the mean position when in motion, and I know that the spring also has maximum potential energy at the mean position when stationary."
The system actually has minimum potential energy at the mean position (it has zero potential energy
U_{spring} = \frac{1}{2} k x^2 = \frac{1}{2} k (0)^2 = 0

The velocity at a position x you can get by considering conservation of energy. Consider the initial configuration when the spring is at maximum extension. At this time we have:

K.E. = 0
U_{spring} = \frac{1}{2} k A^2

and at some later time when the spring is extended to an arbitrary position x

K.E. = \frac{1}{2} m v^2
U_{spring} = \frac{1}{2} k x^2

You can set the total initial energy equal to the total final energy, and apply that equation to the position x=.10 m

Try this and see what you get.
 
satutino said:
There is a mass on a spring of 4 kg. The spring constant is 300 Nm. The spring is laying on a horizontal surface. (F=39.2 N)

I need to find:
1. the amplitude if the force is stretching the spring to its maximum displacement, and
2. the velocity of the object at a distance of 0.10 m from the mean position.

To find x, I used F=kx. 39.2=300x, so x=0.13 meters. Would that be the maximum displacement?

I do not know how to find the mean position of the spring. I know the spring has maximum velocity at the mean position when in motion, and I know that the spring also has maximum potential energy at the mean position when stationary.

Can someone give me a push in the right direction? Thanks!

okay, firstly you have got the max displacement through Hooke's law i.e F = kx = 0.13m.
Thus you have got the Amplitude A.

Okay the total mechanical energy of the system is E = 1/2kA^2 = 2.535 Joules.

When the spring is fully pulled back the total energy is potential i.e E = 1/2kx^2 = 1/2kA^2

When the spring is past the equilibrium position all the energy is kinetic i.e E = 1/2mVmax^2 = 1/2kA^2 = 2.535 Joules.

anywhere between -A to the Equilibrium position to A will be part potential part kinetic ie E = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2kx^2.

so you know the total energy, simply substitute the displacement x, the spring constant k and the mass m into the equation to find v^2.

2.535 = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2kA^2 (substitute and solve for v).
 
Basher said:
2.535 = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2kA^2 (substitute and solve for v).

This last equation should be

2.535 \normaltext{J} = \frac{1}{2} m v^2 + \frac{1}{2} k x ^2
 

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