Square of the sum = Sum of the cubes

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The discussion centers around proving the equality (1+2+...+n)² = 1³ + 2³ + ... + n³, exploring methods of simplification and proof, particularly through mathematical induction. Participants engage with the implications of this relationship and the steps necessary to demonstrate its validity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using mathematical induction as a method to prove the equality, suggesting it is a more effective approach.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the need to establish the formulas for the sums involved, specifically \(\frac{n(n+1)}{2}\) for the sum of the first n integers and \([\frac{n(n+1)}{2}]^{2}\) for the sum of cubes.
  • One participant questions the simplification of the right side of the equation, seeking clarity on how to demonstrate the equality.
  • Another participant provides a standard simplification for the right side, indicating it reduces to \(\frac{n^2(n+1)^2}{4}\), and reiterates the necessity of induction for proof.
  • Several participants express curiosity about the concept of mathematical induction, asking for explanations and clarifications on its principles and application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of mathematical induction as a valid method for proving the equality, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific steps and simplifications required to demonstrate the relationship fully.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions and definitions involved in the proofs, particularly regarding the formulas for the sums and the application of induction. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the simplification process.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in mathematical proofs, particularly those learning about summation formulas and induction techniques.

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(1+2+...n)[tex]^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{n^{2}(n+1)}{4}^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

how do you simplify the right side to show that they are equal?
 
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A much better idea is to use induction to prove the first equation.

Petek
 
rsala004 said:
(1+2+...n)[tex]^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{n^{2}(n+1)}{4}^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

how do you simplify the right side to show that they are equal?

What exactly is the question?
If the answer is to make you prove that square of sum equal to sum of cubes , you have to use mathematical induction to prove that sum is of the following formula [tex]\frac {n(n+1)}{2}[/tex] and once again use mathematical induction to prove that the sum of cubes is of the following forumula [tex][\frac {n(n+1)}{2}]^{2}[/tex].Then only you can draw your conclusion.
 
The question obviously is to prove (1+2+...+n)2 = 13+23+...n3.

The obvious approach, as Petek noted, is to use induction.
 
rsala004 said:
(1+2+...n)[tex]^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{n^{2}(n+1)}{4}^{2}[/tex] = 1[tex]^{3}[/tex]+2[tex]^{3}[/tex]+...n[tex]^{3}[/tex]

how do you simplify the right side to show that they are equal?
The standard simplification for the right side is
[tex]\frac{n^2(n+1)^2}{4}[/tex]
And, as has been suggested several times now, can be proven by induction on n.
 
Hm, could someone please briefly explain induction? This thread has sparked my curiosity. I feel like I should know induction to n, but I don't :(
 
prezjordan said:
Hm, could someone please briefly explain induction? This thread has sparked my curiosity. I feel like I should know induction to n, but I don't :(

Induction: if you can prove
1. f(1) is true
2. If f(n) is true, then f(n+1) is true
for any proposition f, then f(n) is true for all n.
 
The basic idea behind using induction to prove some indexed relationship fn is
  • Show that the relationship is true for some particular value of n0.
  • Show that if the relationship is true for n0, n0+1,n0+2, ..., N, then it is true for N+1.
By induction, these two items mean that the relationship is true for all integers greater than or equal to n0.

The problem at hand is to show that 1+2+...+n)2 = 13+23+...n3. This equality is trivially true for the case n=1; it reduces to 12=13=1. The trick then is to show that if the relationship is true for some particular n, then it is also true for n+1.
 

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